How Do You Respond To: "Where Else Will We Go"?

by minimus 60 Replies latest jw friends

  • Confession

    Yes, V's line of thought has been mine. Below is an excerpt from the letter I wrote to my mother in which she asked this very question...


    You write, “As Peter said at John 6:66-69 ‘who would we go away to?’”

    And to whom was Peter referring? Please answer… You must know that he was referring—not to a body of men—but to Jesus himself, don’t you? The fact that you can read that scripture and come away with the thought that your salvation requires allegiance to these men, (and that’s what it is, mother,) demonstrates the degree to which the human mind can be manipulated—just like mine was.

    “No one comes to the Father except through the men who claim to speak for me.”

    Look right to you? Jesus actually said…

    “No one comes to the Father except through me.” [John 14:6, NWT]

    It is perhaps one of the greatest ironies I will ever witness in my life. More than all other religions I know, Jehovah’s Witnesses ardently emphasize the need to flee from idolatry. No crosses, no holidays, no national emblems… Don’t hang posters of pop culture icons, don’t emulate “worldly” athletes or celebrities… Jehovah’s Witnesses are intensely concerned about committing idolatry, but they cannot see that their devotion to the Watchtower Society is as idolatrous as a thing could be.

    “Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.” [Acts 4:24, NWT]

    “Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” [John 14:6, NWT]

    “…survival of individuals today depends on their faith and their loyal association with the earthly part of Jehovah's universal organization.” [Watchtower, May 15, 2006]

    This is an extraordinary deviation from the scriptures, and a shocking apostasy from the faith Christ established. I remember your talking to me about idols when I was a little boy; about the importance of not involving “things” in one’s worship. I even recall your remarking how some people will say, “I’m not worshipping the object itself. It’s just something I like to use; something through which I pray to Him.” You made clear that Jehovah did not tolerate such “things.”

    When Jesus compared Himself to Moses’ copper serpent, what was His point? That we had to keep looking at Him (Jesus,) right? When He says, “No one comes to the Father except through me,” who is “me?” The scriptures go to great lengths to emphasize the importance of fixating on Christ and the folly of putting your trust in men.

    Now to me it is a very trivial matter that I should be examined by YOU or by a human tribunal.” [1 Cor. 4:3, NWT]

    “Do not put YOUR trust in nobles,
    Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs.” [Psalm 146:3, NWT]

    “Not that we are the masters over YOUR faith, but we are fellow workers for YOUR joy, for it is by [ YOUR ] faith that YOU are standing.” [2 Cor. 1:24, NWT]

    But it’s okay. You’re not really putting your faith in the men at the Watchtower Society. You’re just putting your faith in Christ through them, aren’t you? Does this remind you of the aforementioned warning about idolatry you yourself gave to me? Don’t think this applies to you? Then ask yourself: Is it possible for you to successfully put your faith in Jesus without having anything to do with the Watchtower Society? If you answer “no” how can you not recognize this relationship with the organization as being idolatrous?

  • grey matters
    grey matters


    Thanks for that. I saved it to my hard drive. I have been nervous about not having a great answer to that question. I haven't been asked yet, but I know it is coming. Thanks for the articulate response. And good job using their reasoning and the NWT. It makes the "thought stopping" process harder for them.

  • IMustBreakAway
    I said it should be plainly obvious. If it isn't, than perhaps there is no "truth" to be found. The person will have to exercise their own judgment.

    This made me think of a quote I read somewhere recently. It was something to the effect of, "No sane rational person can honestly believe that they had the good fortune of stumbling into/being born into the one true and only true faith in the entire universe." For some reason that quote really hit a chord for me. Yet more than just JW's believe it.

  • jaguarbass

    Thats the sheeplike mentality they must change if they are ever to be free. Why do they have to go anyplace? Cant they just be? Life is a journey. Perhaps the kingdom hall is a spiritual kindergarden. Or maybe its an evil dungeon on a wrong way street.

  • itsallgoodnow

    I would say...

    "Where will you go" implies you must go somewhere, but there is really no certainty anywhere and you need to learn to live with that. Don't go anywhere for at least 5 years while you spend time learning about the world around you. During that time, you will learn to deal with uncertainty.

  • BrendaCloutier

    This is a great thread as I will likely see at least one childhood friend at my dad's funeral on the 2nd. She has as much as said "they may be wrong but I won't go anywhere else". So it shows she's thought about it. Thanx for the tips.

  • Warlock

    If it was only up to "you", I'm sure it wouldn't be as big a problem.

    As long as there are relatives who are associated with the Org., there will be difficulties answering that question.


  • earthtone

    Confessions where were was this thread , when my mother asked me this same questions. I had the hardest time trying to articulate that you said so perfectly.

  • Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit
    Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

    Daniel-p, you've got that right!

  • Confession

    Earthtone, glad you liked it. If you want to read the entire letter to my Mother, go here...

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