Lola's big mouth part 2

by lola28 42 Replies latest jw friends

  • lola28
    lola28

    Okay here is the rest of that conversation, just a few things, this is the sister that studied with me for a good three years, I have known her since I was 14, and she is the only person that I have ever talked to about any of my doubts, a few months ago I told her that I had not been to meetings because I did not feel at home at the hall anymore, she suggested I go to another hall and I never got a call from an elder so I don’t think she spoke to them about that conversation. So I felt okay telling her the following, I thought maybe she would keep this private but I was wrong, so here it goes.

    Jw: Lola how is your relationship with Jehovah?

    Me: I don’t have a relationship with him.

    JW: do you pray?

    Me: No, I haven’t prayed in a very long time.

    Jw: well, girl, have you gone back to the basics?

    Me: What do you mean?

    Jw: have you asked yourself, is there a God? Is the Bible the word of God?

    Me: not really, all I have really thought about is that Jehovah is not a very loving god, I don’t understand how a loving god could destroy billions of people, I just don’t get it.

    Jw: well you really have to go back and ask yourself those two questions, do you believe in god and do you believe in the bible?

    Me: What if I do that and come to the conclusion that there is no god, and that I don’t believe in the Bible?

    Jw: and then what? Do you really think we all got here by some sort of mistake?

    Me: I really don’t know.

    Jw: look at the other religions Lola, when you do you will see that we do have the truth, go into any church and you will see how wrong they are.

    **at this point I giggle, hey I couldn’t help it**

    Me: I can’t do that.

    Jw: what do you mean?

    Me: oh come on, you now that if I went into a church and began asking questions I would get Dfed.

    Jw: Well you can go to the library and do some research.

    Me: I might, I’m sorry I’m telling you all this but you asked me to be honest with you, and I have always tried to be honest with you.

    Jw: I know.

    ***I think this is where it all went wrong, but I respect this woman and I did not want to lie to her anymore, I think I was just ready to tell someone how I felt, it was time***

    Me: Do you remember the Dateline special a few years ago?

    Jw: Yes.

    Me: Well I watched it.

    JW: so did I. (Okay I must admit that surprised me)

    Me: it really bothered me, but I dismissed it, I thought to myself “hey the elders are not perfect they make mistakes, things could be worse we could be like the Catholics.”

    Jw: You are right.

    Me: then a about two years ago I went online to look for the company that makes the service supplies, and instead I found a disassociation letter a woman had written and I knew I should not read it but I did and it broke my heart.

    Jw: why did it bother you so much?

    Me: because she was so mistreated by the congregation. Well a few days later I went back online to look for that letter and instead I found a website and I looked at it and JW I realized that it wasn’t just the people on dateline that had been hurt by their congregation and it wasn’t just that woman that wrote that letter, now it was hundreds and hundreds of people that told the same story, I couldn’t ignore that the way I ignored Dateline.

    Jw: Now let me stop you right there, you know there is only one website that the society approves of, you have got to stop looking at those websites, they are apostates the worst of the worst all they want to do is get people out of the truth. And if you listen to what they have to say and leave the truth what will you have? What will they give you? You can’t believe everything you read Lola; they put lies out there to mislead people.

    Jw: I’m not stupid, I don’t believe everything I read but I also don’t believe that hundreds of people are lying, some maybe, but not all. You know when I became inactive no one from the congregation called to see what was going on, not one shepherding call. I went from pioneer to inactive in a matter of a few months and the elders did not care enough to pick up the phone and see if I was still alive, and yet I’m expected to believe that these are the same people that would die for me? Can you see why I’m having a hard time?

    Jw: Well Lola you have to stop making excuses. You are responsible for your relationship with Jehovah and no one else is, sure the elders did not call you but they have so much to do, things like that happen.

    Me: You are right. I can’t blame anyone else for the choices that I have made, and the truth is that my heart just isn’t into this any more, it has not been for almost two years.

    Jw: Look first you have to stop looking at those websites and just come to the memorial even if you feel funny and confused inside, just go to the memorial, don’t fool around with that. Hey why don’t you come to meeting with me tomorrow?

    ***silence**

    Jw: okay just let me know if you want to go in the morning, okay?

    Me: sure, I will let you know. Thanks for the call.

    ** I talked to her Saturday night, by Sunday afternoon an elder had called and wanted to know if I would be at the memorial, I said I would not be there and he said that the BOE would like to meet with me, he asked me to call him back to arrange for a meeting**

    Lola ( sorry this got so long guys)

  • Dr Jekyll
    Dr Jekyll

    don't know what to say lola, Have a <<<<Big Bear Hug>>>

  • Honesty
    Honesty

    (((((((Lola))))))

    The cult elders are deceived just like the Governing Body. They really think that their inquisitions please God.

    Jw: Now let me stop you right there, you know there is only one website that the society approves of, you have got to stop looking at those websites, they are apostates the worst of the worst all they want to do is get people out of the truth. And if you listen to what they have to say and leave the truth what will you have? What will they give you? You can’t believe everything you read Lola; they put lies out there to mislead people.
    Most of the Lies we put out there are comparisons between the WATCHTOWER literature as it has morphed back and forth over the years.
  • MerryMagdalene
    MerryMagdalene

    (((((((Lola)))))))Sorry to hear she gave you up to the Inquisition. Probably thinks she's "helping" you. You ok?

    ~Merry

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    Thanks for writing that. It is a difficult situation. Whatever happens it is best for you to stand up for what you believe. If it leads to being d/f that will turn out best in the long run. I put on a show for 10 years out of fear of being d/f and now kick myself for wasting so many years living a lie.

  • luna2
    luna2

    Stupid cult! Don't call them back or play by their rules. They have no authority over you unless you give it to them. You spilled your guts and told the truth to a woman who you thought you had a relationship with and all she gave you with regurgitated WTS canned SPAM answers. If she couldn't pull her head out of her butt and try to talk to you like a real human being, then how are the elders going to do any better. I'd ignore the lot of them.

  • calico
    calico

    Luna2 said:

    You spilled your guts and told the truth to a woman who you thought you had a relationship with and all she gave you with regurgitated WTS canned SPAM answers. If she couldn't pull her head out of her butt and try to talk to you like a real human being, then how are the elders going to do any better.

    Sounds familiar! I have been hinting to a friend about the abuse I receive from my husband------NO REACTION! Recently I mentioned it again and she said something about if I respected him, things would get better! It's funny--I've been married for over 20 years and I am supposed to wait for things to get better! Talk about head up your a**!!!!!!

    When I confronted her later about this, she said I took her the wrong way--also, she didn't want to hear about my problems! And I have been told my whole life that you can find the best of friends at the KH. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  • SWALKER
    SWALKER

    Lola...if you don't care if they DF you, then don't give them another thought. Unless you just want to have some fun and record your back room session, then just refuse to meet. You really don't OWE them any explanation!

    I have successfully faded so far, but I keep expecting to get a call one day. I think my decision to go or not will be based on who is going to be on my committee...I know a lot of things on a lot of elders!!! Maybe that's why I haven't been called back there!!!

    Swalker

  • Scully
    Scully
    Jw: Well Lola you have to stop making excuses. You are responsible for your relationship with Jehovah and no one else is, sure the elders did not call you but they have so much to do, things like that happen.

    Bull$h!t!!!!! The Elders™ are supposed to be "shepherds". They are supposed to go out looking for lost, sick and injured sheep. So where the hell were they when you "disappeared"? It's their CALLING to act like shepherds, to seek out sheep that are lost or sick. It doesn't work the other way around.

    This is the same CRAP that they tried to get me to swallow too. I told the JW who tried to feed it to me that they - by agreeing to be Elders™ - had accepted responsibility for sick, lost and injured sheep, and the Holy Spirit™ would hold them accountable.

    Let's just make one thing clear about barnyard politics: SHEEP ARE DUMB. Sheep are some of the most stupid creatures on the planet. They'll go where ever they are led. If the shepherd doesn't wake them up when the fall asleep in the meadow, they end up lost. They can't chew their way out of a wet paper bag full of nibblies. The WTS wants its followers to be DUMB and STUPID SHEEP. And then when we decide that we're sick and tired of being DUMB and STUPID SHEEP, the Elders™ try to make us feel like this is OUR fault??

  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    I wouldn't meet with the elders, wouldn't give them the time of day. The person you studied with...her concern sounds very conditional, see how fast she gave you up to the elders.

    Josie

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