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by SickofLies 90 Replies latest members private

  • Scully
    Scully

    Here's a thought:

    The WTS claims that "no person who is known to have been a child molester will be permitted to serve in a position of responsibility in the congregation".

    To my way of thinking, a position of responsibility implies a position of trust. To my way of thinking, when I hear Jehovah's Witnesses address each other as Brother or Sister So-and-so, it implies that this person has gained the trust of the congregation. It implies that they have accepted a position of responsibility and have been given a position of responsibility and have agreed to abide by Righteous Principles™.

    So WHY does the WTS allow known child molesters, even if they have been DFd and are later Reinstated™ for professing repentance, to be known as Brother or Sister, when that title implies there is trust and the responsibility that this "trust" affords to someone who poses a risk to children in the congregation? Why not just refer to them as Mr. or Ms. or Mrs. whatever, instead of including them in the group and identifying them as someone worthy of some level of trust in the congregation?

    Something as simple as that would be a step in the right direction.

  • Scully
    Scully

    SickofLies

    I just finished listening to that recording. OMG. That elder's voice sounded so familiar. He sure liked to interrupt you in mid-sentence didn't he? That would tick me off to no end. It's like they don't think that what you say is important enough to listen to or give you the chance to complete your thought.

    Funny how his "best references" are all the WTS re-written "history" books. And even funnier how he didn't want to address any of your questions directly, just wanted to question you about your position and why you were looking at Apostate Web Sites™. Then he goes and directs you to talk to another Elder™ - be careful! That would make two eye-witnesses! or would that be ear-witnesses? Can you be DFd on the basis of testimony from two ear-witnesses? I think Worldly™ courts would call that hearsay.

  • candidlynuts
    candidlynuts
    The WTS claims that "no person who is known to have been a child molester will be permitted to serve in a position of responsibility in the congregation".

    good point, they may not have the privlege of handling the mikes but if they are knocking on doors, giving talks, they are in a position of responsibility.

  • SickofLies
    SickofLies
    I just finished listening to that recording. ; OMG. ; That elder's voice sounded so familiar. ; He sure liked to interrupt you in mid-sentence didn't he? ; That would tick me off to no end. ; It's like they don't think that what you say is important enough to listen to or give you the chance to complete your thought.

    Indeed, it was very hard to carry on any sort of conversation with him, I was trying my best not to be rude and interrupt him, but near the end when it was clear he could not defend himself he was constantly cutting me off and saying 'just look to the litature, everything we need to know is there' as his cop out.

    Then he goes and directs you to talk to another Elder™ - be careful!; That would make two eye-witnesses! or would that be ear-witnesses?

    Thats the point! I want to be DF'ed and get it on tape. It would be great if I could actually get PROOF that thw WTS disfellowship's people for asking to many questions.

  • bonnzo
    bonnzo

    i just want to know.....can you ask a question to any elder and not be interrupted in any way? for once?!

  • Death to the Pixies
    Death to the Pixies
    Thats the point! I want to be DF'ed and get it on tape. It would be great if I could actually get PROOF that thw WTS disfellowship's people for asking to many questions.

    So you are going to act contrary to how you normally would in every day life untill you get what you are after? Sounds retarded. It sounds like the Elder is in no hurry to D-f you. Evenin his total ignorance on this issues (rather embarrassingly stating he gets 1914 from what he calls "biblical chrono"), he seems to be giving you a lot of room. If they choose not to Df after your attempts, what are you going to do then?

    You made some terminology mistakes about the UN thing, I am sure Bethel will help out there and give you some useful info on that.

    And...I believe the bit on "destroyed records" deals with Members who committed offenses prior to becoming Witnesses if they showed they were re-adjusted over an extended period of time. However while possible, seems unlikely in the current climate. Maybe I am wrong on that one, but I don't think so.

    Best of luck.

  • Lapuce
    Lapuce

    Downloading at once, yes maybe I'll give you some elders number, I know a real winner in Montreal...

  • candidlynuts
    candidlynuts

    bttt so everyone has a chance to hear this recording.

  • Legolas
    Legolas

    Thanks for that!

  • Dogpatch
    Dogpatch

    I just put it up on RealPlayer format as well, should be much easier for those with low bandwidth:

    http://www.freeminds.org/media/sickoflies.htm

    This will be his page for further elders conversations!

    Randy

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