How are "hateful" atheists helping struggling witnesses on JWN or society in general?

by Healthworker 320 Replies latest members adult

  • Healthworker
    Healthworker

    I have noticed that some of the members at JWN use a loaded language, name calling, ad hominem attacks and sarcasm against other members here!

    My questions are:

    1) Do the "hate" and sarcasm come with atheism and your fear of the future?

    2) If you believe that we are social animals; how is it that you do not understand the importance of human emotions in our survival and happiness?

    3) Many on this forum are already struggling after the abuse done by the Watchtower corporation! Have you ever considered that your disrespect, hate and sarcasm may cause even more harm?

    4) If your agenda is to enlighten and help us, why don't you actually produce upbuilding and enlightening material for everybody to read?

    Love Healthworker

  • fakesmile
    fakesmile

    you crazy, superstitious, simple minded, weirdo. just kidding. i think atheists are trying to help ppl understand that you should take responsibility for your misunderstandings but more importantly to take credit for YOUR successes. EX. tim teabo... jesus does not complete his passes. tim teabo compleates his passes. there is nothing wrong with taking credit for your success or failure.

    or EOM... who claims that god speaks to him. you dont have to be an athiest to know that god really is not talking to him/ her.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    How are kooky believers helping struggling Witnesses on JWD or society in general?

  • Healthworker
    Healthworker

    fakesmile

    "i think atheists are trying to help ppl understand that you should take responsibility for your misunderstandings but more importantly to take credit for YOUR successes"

    I have done that for a long time in my work as Healhworker!

    You have not answered any of my questions, only guessing what atheists motives are!

    Love Healthworker

  • Healthworker
    Healthworker

    slimboyfat

    "How are kooky believers helping struggling Witnesses on JWD or society in general?"

    Are you saying that everybode on JWN with faith are kooky believers?

    You have not answered any of my questions either! Pls. read my questions!

    Love Healthworker

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    What you call "Disrespect, hate and sarcasm" in your very loaded questions, which are of the "when did you stop beating your wife" variety may not be all they seem to you.

    I always try to repect the poster, but if a poster has silly beliefs and makes silly claims, I do not respect those claims or beliefs, anymore than I would respect the beliefs of a suicide bomber. I will attack those beliefs.

    "Hate" , the only hate I see on here is for what the WT/JW cult and its members have done to hurt and try to destroy many many people.

    Sarcasm can be a gentle form of wit, not necessarily the lowest as Shakespeare claimed, and I do not see that used here by non believers in a way I would proscribe.

    As to our "fear for the future" I can only speak for myself, we "Atheists" and non-believers are not a group who hold the same thoughts about hardly anything, except we have the common thought that there is no proof for the existence of god, but I find that my fear for the future, since reading many upbuilding things from non-believers on here, and elsewhere, has lessened to a level that is not worth thinking about.

    When I was a JW I feared that the god of the Watchtower would kill many good people, and innocent babies at Armageddon. Now I know that is all fiction, I look with open eyes and mind at the World as it really is, and I am optimistic for man's future.

    Yes, there are huge problems to solve, but we have some huge minds, and we have the resources to solve those problems.

    If you believe a poster has used disrespect, hate or sarcasm in a way that we all should condemn, call them on it, name them and let them answer, do not hide behind generalisation. That is a Watchtower trick "some Scientists believe...." which scientists?

    Give us the quotes and the posters names please.

    Love and respect,

    Phizzy.

  • Chariklo
    Chariklo
    How are "hateful" atheists helping struggling witnesses on JWN or society in general?

    Healthworker, I think this is a very important question and a very good thread.

    For now, I'll answer the question personally.

    I came here in pieces, shattered, badly damaged from my experience within the Watchtower. I knew it was wrong and false, but it took me a very long time...well, OK, 8 months, not long at all by the standards of those who have suffered a lifetime's psychological abuse but a little bit longer than I was an extremely active and zealous unbaptised publisher. (I was turning in auxiliary-pioneer-level hours every month. Yup. Crazy. )

    "Hateful atheists"...I'm sure you are using that term satirically; I certainly hope so.....very much helped me here and offline in the "real world," in many ways: (they don't exist only on JWN, I've had atheist friends for years.)

    by helping me stand firm in my anti-JW stance at a time when I was being bombarded in real life by JW's desperate to get me back.

    by helping me think for myself

    by adding wit and intelligence to emotional disaster

    again, by helping me to think for myself

    by helping me get rid of JW thought and, eventually, bit by bit to remove and physically eject every scrap of JW literature and material ffrom my house

    by extending friendship

    by enabling me to feel free to express myself and my own independent thoughts

    and ultimately by finding my own base line, which was a very strong underlying belief in two things: the existence of God and that his nature was completely other than that insisted on by the Watchtower.

    From then on I had, personally speaking, a massive struggle to find what I, myself, wanted to do in real life with my belief. Was I going to do nothing? Was I going to stand on the sidelines, just enjoying life on the forum (which I do, very much.)?

    Personally I had my own solution to find, and it wasn't through a process of logical argument but just waking up one morning and knowing what I was going to do, and that was after months of thought and the forging of friendships here and searching my own mind. In the end, I just knew what I was going to do.

    What that is doesn't matter here on this thread. My point is that atheists have been and are very much part of the mix of the discussion on this board, and they, by being themselves, even by some of the very one-sided attitudes that they hold and demonstrate....atheists have most definitely helped me to find myself.

    I found I had to stand up for my own firm belief in the existence of God. They could see that I wasn't going to shove my point of view theologically down anyone's throats, and I won't. My solution is my own. But it was atheists who in more ways than you can imagine, and that includes real firm friendship, who despite themeves enabled me to find myself through the whole thought-soup and free-thinking and very very compassionate and supportive culture on this board.

    That's just me. Others will have a different perspective no doubt, but for me, hey, thanks, atheists!!!

  • Healthworker
    Healthworker

    Phizzy

    Thanks for your comment. Can you pls. sort your answer according to each questions. I have som difficulity relating all your information to my 4 spesific questions!

    You write:

    "always try to repect the poster, but if a poster has silly beliefs and makes silly claims, I do not respect those claims or beliefs, anymore than I would respect the beliefs of a suicide bomber. I will attack those beliefs"

    What is a silly belief? What is a fact in life? If you have a theory about something, you should make it valid by testing it, making an experiment. You use a lot of words, pls. use a simple language which I can understand and relate to!

    Love Healhworker

  • Healthworker
    Healthworker

    Chariklo

    "Healthworker, I think this is a very important question and a very good thread."

    Thanks, bro!

    Hateful atheists"...I'm sure you are using that term satirically; I certainly hope so.....very much helped me here and offline in the "real world," in many ways: (they don't exist only on JWN, I've had atheist friends for years.)

    I used the term "hateful" atheist. To soften the expression!

    "What that is doesn't matter here on this thread. My point is that atheists have been and are very much part of the mix of the discussion on this board, and they, by being themselves, even by some of the very one-sided attitudes that they hold and demonstrate....atheists have most definitely helped me to find myself."

    I agree with you on this! My main point is that some atheists use a language which is very similar to the narrow minded, exclusive mindset of the cult we all left behind!

    I truly and strongly believe that it is crucial to use a positive language and presents ones views in a decent and respectful manner. In that way we can help each person to regain spiritual and human balance after the abuse of WTS!

    Love Healthworker

  • Witness My Fury
    Witness My Fury

    Chariklo, that was a bloody awesome post.

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