Turning the shunning policy around onto Mother...

by sf 71 Replies latest members private

  • sf
    sf

    Hello,

    This morning as I was reading a few threads, I came across a post from 'junction-guy' that is in 'smelly-onions' thread where he states:

    Jehovah's Witnesses are a destructive religion, harmful to children, harmful to families, just plain harmful. It is a lying religion, a religion that rides the back of the government and tells the world otherwise. It desroys childrens lives, it destroys their childhood, it destroys the family, and to beat it all it is packaged ever so neatly, it truly is the worlds greatest fraud, and I will expose it whenever I have the opportunity.

    When I read it I reflected back to the phone conversation I had with Mother yesterday. I was forewarned by my sister that she may be calling due to something my sister 'leaked' out to her. My sister apologized for the leak and in the end I suppose it's really no big deal that Mother knows something that I myself decided not to reveal to her...my sons death recently. [ PLEASE, I AM NOT GOING TO DISCUSS HIS DEATH WITH ANYONE HERE, RESPECTFULLY {FYI} ]

    I had determined that she did not deserve to know such a thing that had occured in MY family because I knew that her so-called concern really held no merit due to how they TRULY view all worldly people. And that they preach all will die soon at the hands of jehovah their god. She certainly never showed any concern when he was alive. So in my mind, it made no sense to tell her. Yet she found out.

    My sister was pretty sure that she wouldn't call me. I told her she would be a fool if she did. That it would time for me to finally say all I needed to and then completely wash my hands of her. So when I saw her number on the caller-i.d., I took a deep breath, almost let the machine get it, yet picked it up.

    "Hi...this is YOUR Mother." I said, without hesitation "I know why you are calling." I said "you were not entitled to know this". "Why?" she asks. To which I said "you just don't get it, do you? You really don't get it." She replies "no, I don't". I said "if you really want to hear me out as to what I mean by this, you need to agree that you won't interrupt or hang up, this time." She agreed. Much to my amazement by the way.

    I told her: How dare you call NOW. Now that he is dead! You never ever called while he alive. You had no idea if he was dead or alive until you found out he was indeed dead. But NOW you pick up the phone. Your fake concern is what your organization trains you to display. I know Mother. I lived the fake jw life too. Everyday we have to walk into the wicked world we are taught to hate, we must put on our mask. You must act as if you care. I remember those days Mother. You have mastered your mask well. You have learned well. You are the perfect mold of a jw. I hope you are proud of yourself and the choices you made, for all of us. You don't fool me though with your masked sympathy.

    I then said to her basically what junction-guy states above. She tries to interject. I said, "i knew you could'nt help yourself, you just have to interrupt. Your comfort zone feels a bit woosey now, doesn't it?" She let me go on. {As I told her I was going to say everything I felt I needed to say to her now, because there would not any other time}.

    I asked her why she asked my daughter to come for a visit twice. Before she could reply I told her to stay away from my family. That there was no way she was going to try and convert her now that she's a teen. That I was well aware that you all believe this the the end times and you are required to convert so you get part of that golden carrot. Again, I pointed out her fake concen and her true agenda. [ I NAILED HER JOHNNY!!! you would have been proud my friend ]

    I aske her to be honest in how she really feels about us. To not sugarcoat it. She couldn't. She just keep saying she does love us and cares about us. I wanted to wring her neck at this point. So I asked her "did you even know that your granddaughter is entering high school next year? That she had a beautiful eigth grade graduation where lots of kids had lots of family members there to support them? Does it ever occur to you that she has no grandparents because they view her mother as "very apostate" therefore view her children as from Satan? That is how you really think and feel about us disfellowshipped, right Mother?" She conceeds that I am right and that she has not been in her grandkids lives because of her religion. I said "you are a very sad person and very selfish too. And now you see why I did not want you to know about my sons death or in my daughters life...WE WILL ALL BE DEAD ONE DAY BY THE HANDS OF YOUR WT GOD JEHOVAH...BE HONEST MOM, I AM DEAD IN THE EYES OF JEHOVAH AND ALL WHO ARE MEMBERS, RIGHT? THIS IS THE REAL TRUTH OF THE MATTER. THIS IS WHAT IS TAUGHT. I WAS TAUGHT IT TOO MOM. I LIVED THE WT LIFE. So don't patronize me!" She was pretty mmuch silent. So I proceeded.

    I told her about the u.n., the silentlambs issues, crisis of conscience wriiten by Ray Franz. She says "who?". I said "see there, that is so revealing, that you can't even name your leaders of today and of the past. How can you claim that you have examined this religion thoroughly?" She said she wasn;t going to change HER beliefs. And that she felt I wanted to somehow change her religion. I told her all I expect from ANY adult jw is to in fact thoroughly examine this organization and what goes on behind the scene. That she can remain a jw and still educate herself. There is still time I told her.

    I also exclaimed to her that I was not going to be stopping my advocasy in exposing the fraud that the WTBTS is to the public.

    I was pretty much finished telling her what I had been wanting to say to her. She responds overall with: "Well, you believe what you want, and I will too". I said, "so you really didn;t take in anything I said to you, did you?" She said "I can't". I said "then you've made your choice. Don't ever call me again faking concern. When you have put away your masks, then call me. I would like to thank you though for letting me get this all out. This IS goodbye Mother". She said "goodbye".

    ~sigh of relief~It's bittersweet right now, but I'm glad it happened. It was time. And the load that has been lifted is a great feeling. I was nervous now for a long time that I would nevr be able to say what I felt needed to be said. I really didn't think she could take it, but she did. I'm not sure though how much time she kept the receiver in her lap and waited for me to breathe. LOLOLOL No matter. It's done and that's that. So be it.

    If you made it through this post. Thanks.

    Dave, thanks for all that you do in your 'work'. It is appreciated.

    sKally

  • love2Bworldly
    love2Bworldly

    Well I'm glad you were able to say what you needed to say. JWs are very sad and small minded people.

  • iggy_the_fish
    iggy_the_fish

    That was a very powerful piece of writing, sf. My heart goes out to you and all the rest of you who have to deal with the effects of shunning.

    iggy.

  • Why Georgia
    Why Georgia

    Hello SF,

    I think you are brave and wonderful. I hope that the conversation you had with your mother will help you have some peace in your life.

    I am sorry for the loss of your son. I have 2 son's and I can't imagine your pain.

    WG

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    Excellent!

    I had to do the same thing with my parents, only with a letter. Sometimes I wonder if they actually read it.

  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5
    I was nervous now for a long time that I would nevr be able to say what I felt needed to be said.




    I can just hear you on the phone reeming out your mother. You go girl!

    On a more somber note: I'm am so sorry for your loss girlfriend. I wish I could be there to give you a big hug ((((((W)))))

    You're my girl and my boo,

    Josie

  • Cordelia
    Cordelia

    reslly sorry to hear about your loss, your mum sounds like she at least listened who knows maybe alittle of what you said went in, hopefully shell realise at a time like this she should be there for you and when she said 'i cant' lets hope she realises why coz of the cruel unreasonable religon and starts to think abit.

    <<<<hugs>>>>

  • johnny cip
    johnny cip

    SKally; sorry for your son. you nailed mom. she knows everything you said is fact. you exposed her whole zombie hating. brainwashed self. in a nut shell. she couldn't get out ,of the mirror you made her look into. she couldn't bull$hit you. and jw's hate when they are exposed for what they really are. in jw reasoning shes happy your son is dead so now he has a chance at the ressurection. sick thinking.. and yes that comes a time when you have to just lay it on the line . with your jw family. THIS IS A SAD POST. AT THE SAME TIME THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO HANDLE . A TOTALLY BRAIN DEAD WT ZOMBIE. every one should save this post . it shows the correct way to handle a dub. that's been shitting on you for years. it;s callED showing NO QUARTER... sending my john

  • EvilForce
    EvilForce

    Well I did not know of your loss....my condolences there. Sorry if I missed it in an earlier thread. But good for you saying what you needed to say. She nows has information in front of her. The choice is once again her's to make. If she chooses to ignore what you've said and not look into it, well that's a choice. Sad...Sad...Sad!

  • Doubtfully Yours
    Doubtfully Yours

    WOW!

    Another relationship destroyed. Sorry to hear about the ordeal with your mother.

    This another thing I cannot follow up on. I just cannot discard individuals just because they walk away from a religion. Life is too short and precious to live it avoiding people.

    Sorry about your case.

    DY

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