I MADE A SCENE AT THE KINGDOM HALL REMODEL TODAY

by Corvin 67 Replies latest jw friends

  • Corvin
    Corvin

    The Set Up

    My daughter, Elese, had a lunch date set up with her mother, Sara, for today. It was getting close to noon and Elese decided to give her mother a call to let her know she was ready to be picked up. Sara said she had to stop by the Kingdom Hall to drop off some ice for the brothers doing the remodeling. She called back a little later on to say that she was at the Kingdom Hall helping to serve food to the brothers, and that she would be late. It did not take much thinking to realize that Sara was blowing off the lunch date with her daughter to look good in front of congregation. Elese tells her mom that she wants to come and help serve food too, that it would be fun and that way they could more spend time together.

    Now, Elese has recently died her hair black and has a single blond streak running down the side of her head. She resembles a side-ways skunk, LOL. Not very theocratic looking. Her mother would have been embarrassed to have her there serving food to the bros and sisses with such a die-job, so, she vomits up the first lie she can think of telling.

    "You have to be baptized to serve food

    ".

    Yeah. That?s what she said. Elese questioned her about it and Sara changed the subject. The lunch date was ulitimately pushed back an hour and when the phone conversation was over, Elese told me what her mother said.

    The Confrontation

    I took my daughter straight over to the Kingdom Hall. I found my ex-wife and asked her right in front of a couple JW?s, "Did you tell your daughter that she could not help serve food to the brothers because she was not baptized?"

    She was speechless, suddenly pissed and very embarrassed. I then asked, "You are one of Jehovah?s Witnesses, right? You are suppose to tell the truth in all things, correct?"

    Sara reluctantly said, "Yes . . . "

    "Well, did you or did you not tell your daughter she could not serve food at this Kingdom Hall remodel because she was not baptized?" I asked once again.

    "Yes, I think so", was her answer, all the while starting the car and backing out of her parking space. She just wanted to get the hell out of there. She then turned to Elese and asked what she was doing, as if Elese was to blame for the confrontation. Elese said she was here to go to lunch.

    I asked Sara if it was true that it was an organizational rule that you had to be baptized in order to serve food to the brothers. She said she did not really know.

    "Well, who is in charge of this remodel? I am going to find out for you . . . "

    Sara sat in her JW requisite family-field service van in disbelief, stunned and speechless. Elese got into her mother?s vehicle and they drove away.

    I walked right up to Sara?s PO, brother JDJ of the Valley Congregation of Jehovah?s Witnesses in El Cajon, CA. I smiled warmly and greeted him. "JD, I have a question for you".

    He nodded tensely indicating he was listening.

    "Sara pushed back her lunch date with our daughter in order to remain here and serve food to the brothers. When Elese offered to come and help along side of her mother, she was told that she had to be baptized in order to do so. Is that a new rule from the Governing Body, the publications or something?" My question was direct.

    6?-4" JD looked around not knowing what to say. I asked, "You are the PO in this congregation, right? You do read all the publications and receive confidential correspondence from the Society, don?t you? Is that the rule? Has that rule ever been published or announced from the platform?" I was very calm, but my voice raised enough so that all the JW workers could hear what was being asked.

    He said he was not sure, but he would find the "Regional Overseer" and ask him. As an afterthought, he asked me why I was asking.

    I gave him the short version of what Elese?s mother told her. Then I said, "you see, JD, this is very typical of Sara M. She lies to her kids about everything, she lies to you, she lies to me, she lies to the authorities and she lies to her husband. It is very much because of her hypocritical conduct and her lies that our children no longer want to attend meetings. It is just one of the reasons why our children do not care to associate with Jehovah?s Witnesses . . . "

    He thanked me for bringing it to his attention; the typical response. He said, "I appreciate it", as I was walking away. I could feel everyone?s eyes on me. There were a lot of people standing and sitting around having lunch.

    I turned around and said to him, "No, I really don?t think you do, and I really don?t think you will do anything about it."

    "I appreciate you letting me know about the situation . . . " he offered trying to clarify.

    The volume of my voice raised even higher now. Everyone was listening intently. This was some good stuff about to come out, they were imagining. "Again, I really don?t think you do. You knew about the alcoholism, the abuse, the lies, the lack of self-control, the anger and the rage going on in Mark and Sara M?s house. You knew about it for eight years and did nothing. Because you did not stop the abuse, my oldest daughter attempted suicide, remember, and the younger two still often think about it. Instead of really intervening and going to the authorities when it was clear you could do nothing more, you simply did nothing. You are just as responsible, the other elders are responsible, and you are all a bunch of hypocrites."

    I walked away feeling mighty good about myself.

    This will take about a day to get around all of the congregations attending that Kingdom Hall. It is now way out in the open and "common knowledge" and must be dealt with publicly.

    Fired up, here!

    Corvin

  • bisous
    bisous

    Good for you Corvin!!! my hat is off to you! I wish one of my parent's or other relative would have had the gumption to stand up for me in a similar fashion when I was a child.

    LadyLee, this definitely belongs in a Best Of thread....

    A+


  • seeitallclearlynow
    seeitallclearlynow

    Awesome, Corvin! Great to get it out in front of so many people, so now they can't pretend not to know. It's interesting that your ex-wife was allowed to be part of the project at all, because I thought I had heard from my sister that the rules have tightened up somewhat with regard to who are now considered suitable to work on quick-builds and remodels.

    But I could be mistaken about that.

    I hope Sara didn't give Elese a terrible time about the whole incident and ruin their time together. She sounds like the type who would. Poor Elese!

  • Netty
    Netty

    WOW! a round of applause, and a standing ovation for you. That was just excellent. The type of thing so many of us wish we could do, and say, and never get the gumption to just do it. These types of things need to be exposed more often, just like you did. Outstanding!

    I also hope that your daughter didnt have to hear it from her mother, and that her lunch went ok.

  • Gretchen956
    Gretchen956

    Good for you, Corvin! Your daughter is lucky to have you to stand up for her.

    Sherry

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    O M G My jaw is in my lap. Yup it is in the open. But don't be surprised if they do as little as possible. I can almost hear the phone line/gossip lines burning up from here.

    You spoke up for your children in a way that few people are able and in a very public way.

    I find it interesting that the Christians of old took their gripes to the public - the public square. Everyone knew what was going on. Hence no need for the gossip to get going. People aired their differences for all to see and judge or help and support.

    On the onter hand the JWs resort to hiding their little secrets and trying to maintain appearances at the expense of the innocent. If they bother to do anything at all.

    I too hope this doesn't come back onto your daughter but at least she knows she has one parent who is really there for her.

    PS added to the Best of... should be in the next update.

  • Pleasuredome
    Pleasuredome

    nice one corvin! that'l knock them down a peg or two.

  • sf
    sf

    Dude!! {{ }}

    sKally

  • rebuilding
    rebuilding

    Wow.... I am impressed.

    I wish I had that kind of nerve.

    Rebuilding

  • Corvin
    Corvin

    The Prompt Angry Ride Home

    This is a follow up and the rest of the story. While I was giving the PO a piece of my mind, Sara was making a bee-line to drop Elese off at home, angrily talking crap about me.

    Instead of owning up to her lie and apologizing, she went on the offensive and here are some of the things she said; that I was evil, that one day Elese would find out what a disgusting man I really was, that I would die at Armageddon. She told Elese that she should not come over again until she changed her life (Sara is using the old tried and true shunning threat to beat her daughter into submission).

    Elese stopped her and asked her how she was in such a position to judge her father. That it was statements like that that drove a wedge between them. She said that there was nothing wrong with her life and that she did not need to change, but that Sara needed to do the changing. She demanded to know what the hell was so wrong with her life. She said she sees how her mother goes to all the meetings, out in service, pretending to be all righteous and good, but she also sees how they act at home, the lies she tells and just how unchristian she really is. She did not take any crap off her mother and defended me passionately.

    She told her mother that she should listen to herself, that she sounded so creepy spouting all those canned JW statements and retorts, that it did not even sound like a real mother talking to her daughter. She asked her mother if she remembered the time that she told her that not only her father would die at Armageddon, but that Elese was going to die at Armageddon too. Sara said she did not recall making that statement.

    Elese told me that when she hasn?t seen her mother in awhile she never misses her, and it is because of how cold and dishonest her mother is. She told me in tears how her mother is never really there for her when she needs her . . . that all conversations end up being a pathetic JW guilt-trips. She said she just can?t stand it anymore.

    The tears kept flowing as she told me that her mother is becoming dead to her, now. She says that her mother?s hugs do not even feel comforting or warm, just cold and meaningless.

    Right now, however, Elese is talking to Mary and she is much better. They are laughing and talking about work and other stuff. Thank God for Mary.

    If today?s incident comes back in reprisal form in any way to hurt my daughters, I promise I will return to the Kingdom Hall during the public talk and raise hell like they have never seen. I might even take a video camera long.

    Corvin

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