Anti-American? Do people only want their own opinions allowed?

by Simon 135 Replies latest members adult

  • Simon
    Simon

    Thank you DakotaRed. I read what you posted about me on another forum:

    As a veteran myself, the outright disrespect and sometimes even hatred of those willing to fight for others really galls me. These kids ( to many of us, they are just kids) are fighting to free a people they don't even know. What will they receive back? Nothing, that's what. Maybe some will become disabled and have to fight for what pitiful little benefits were promised them. Some will die and end up being forgotten by most all but those close to them. But, no one better spit on any single one of them in my presence. They might discover this aging Vietnam Veteran still has some ire in him.

    Simon Hound denies that he is anti_american, but he posts nothing anymore but anti-American rhetoric and his head is so far up Trauma Hounds ass he can't even see it as obvious lies and propaganda. Like, the recent "quote" from Secretary of State Colin Powell, supposedly saying that what use is there in fighting this war if we maintain a dominant presence there. Notice, he supplies no link to where it came from.

    Simon can have Charlie and they can suck each others asses. I'm through over there. If America is so damned bad, why are they still here? Why do others seek to capitalize on us when they hate us so?

    They complain about Friendly Fire? They haven't a clue about what happens so easily in the fog of combat. WW2 had more than it's share of it too, with one of the largest being right after D-Day.

    They expect America to solve the Palestinian problem? Hell, why should we? Britain caused it by reneging on their original agreement of establishing a separate Arab and Jewish Palestinian State after the fall of the Ottoman Empire after WW1. Israel ended up with about half, or less, of the land promised them back then and today, they are supposed to give up more? As far as I'm concerned, let Jordan have the Palestinians. That was also part of Palestine and given to the Arabs by Britian.

    I do not appreciate being mischaracterised like that. Just so you know:

    What the arrangements are for payments to veterans is none of my concern and really between them and their employers.

    Trauma Hound is given no special priveledges. We have fallen out many times in the past and his posts have been edited plenty of times as well as him being deleted. I'm sure he'll be the first to admit we are not 'best buddies'. However, I do not hold a grudge and try to be fair even with people I may have crossed swords with.

    Do you espect you should be able to post your viewpoints and no one else should be allowed to post theirs? And because you don't get your way to use the forum for your own soapbox without interruptions you have run off moaning and bitching.

    To top it all, you use my own forum to send messages to people inviting them to an alternate forum and constantly insulting me at the same time. Luckily, someone realised what a smack in the face this was and notified me. I see from the messages that you have been conspiring to cause trouble and try and make TH do something to get deactivated - this is disgusting behaviour IMHO and makes you a trouble maker. (as with the chat-logs, I look through the messages if I'm told something is untoward)

    I'll save you the problem of making a dramatic exit by deleting you.

    For anyone interested: EVERYONE is entitled to an opinion and to express it as long as they do so in a civil way. You should not express strong political views and then get upset if people disagree with you.

    Of course I am allowed my own opinion just as everyone else is. I have been labelled as "AntiAmerican" simply because I want to speak out if I believe something is being done wrong or I am being lied to. If I believe someone is misrepresenting things then I will say so. It does not mean I hate America or Americans ... I love America - it's right next to the nicest country on earth . We have a lot of American friends that we care a great deal for and resent the insinuation that I hate them.

    I do not care who posts where but do take personal insults personally.

  • Realist
    Realist
    As a veteran myself, the outright disrespect and sometimes even hatred of those willing to fight for others really galls me. These kids ( to many of us, they are just kids) are fighting to free a people they don't even know. What will they receive back? Nothing, that's what. Maybe some will become disabled and have to fight for what pitiful little benefits were promised them. Some will die and end up being forgotten by most all but those close to them. But, no one better spit on any single one of them in my presence. They might discover this aging Vietnam Veteran still has some ire in him.

    i think it is sad that you still believe in the lies you were told back then and that you support the current madness emanating from the US.

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    Well, Simon, that's up to you. If you want to deactivate DR that's your prerogative. Did he notify you that he was through here before he posted that information elsewhere?

    Another point. It is simply not possible for a Brit to criticise America for going to war in Iraq. Why not? Because we are going in there to war also!

    Englishman.

  • Realist
    Realist

    englishman,

    it is very possible to criticise the US as long as one includes britain in this critisism. also the madness is on a different, much worse level in the US than in britain.

  • Simon
    Simon

    Of course Britain is in the war as well. I do not thank Tonay Blair for taking us into a war and increasing the risk we are put under simply because he wants to play statesman and, probably like Mr Bush, want's to take attention away from policies and economy at home.

    To suppose that Britain has any real say in what is done would be a bit niave thought I think. Perhaps Blair thought he was best on board and could try and steer or influence things - this has been commented a lot in the press. It will be interesting to see if any splits develop over the future of Iraq and UN involvement.

    I am very critical of Britain. I think it is a decaying, stagnant, stinking pit living on past glory and echoes of empire. We are incapable of carrying out any 'big project' and never seem to know where all the money goes ... we only get a poorly health system, second rate education system and crumbling infrastructure however much money is pumped in.

    Englishman: I think he's made it quite clear by his comments and actions.

  • Angharad
    Angharad

    Another point. It is simply not possible for a Brit to criticise America for going to war in Iraq. Why not? Because we are going in there to war also

    Simon has critised the UK government just as much - I dont think you could possibly find a thread where he has supported Tony Blair in any way

  • Simon
    Simon

    I do think though that while Britain is involved, there is not the same enthusiasm or blind patriotism on display on this side of the Atlantic.

  • onacruse
    onacruse

    I don't know about the rest of the world, but the general US population gave most VietNam vets the cold shoulder. Only belated attempts were made, 20 years after that war, to acknowledge the risk and sacrifice those soldiers made. The legitimacy, or lack thereof, for any given war (including the Iraq war now) should not, imho, diminish the respect that we have for anyone who is willing to put their life on the line in the defense of their country.

    It's perfectly understandable that those who have been disrespected for their patriotism will carry with them a heightened sensitivity.

    Craig

  • bittersweet
    bittersweet

    I for one just want to say "Thanks" to you Simon for providing us with this forum.Usually people here express their opinions and respect people who have differing ones.It is too bad when people get out of control.

    And for the record,I certainly never got the idea that you were anti-American in any of your threads.There are many Americans that feel the same way you do,so does that make them anti-American? America is made up of many diverse groups,hailing from all parts of the world.There is no way that all these people all agree on the same things.Just because the majority rules,doesn't mean that there aren't many left behind who feel differently.So please keep your opinions coming Simon.I for one love to read them.

  • Englishman
    Englishman
    Simon has critised the UK government just as much - I dont think you could possibly find a thread where he has supported Tony Blair in any way

    That is exactly my point. A Brit simply can not be guilty of being anti-American by expressing disapproval of the war. If you disapprove of the war then you must disapprove of the US and the UK equally. So no way could Simon have been guilty of anti- Americanism. If you want to see anti-Americanism take a peek at Kents site. I have taken him to task for it on many occasions, but, as normal, he always knows best.

    Englishman.

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