JUDICIAL COMMITTEE -- ANDERSON

by silentlambs 81 Replies latest jw friends

  • William Penwell
    William Penwell
    I think the next argument Barbara is going to hear is this: "We have to keep the Congregation clean."

    You have to remember that regardless of facts the first obligation in the minds of an Orwelliam JW system and to the elders is, at all cost keep the congregation clean. In the elders minds this means get rid of any dissenters out of their closed society even if this is running the risk of a lawsuite. Also as its being discussed here the WT has made steps to distance themselves away from the local congregation elders so it will be those elders asses on the line here. If any of those elders had a brain (an oxymoron), they would all decline having any part of this one.

    Will

    "I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's."
    Mark Twain

  • SYN
    SYN

    Mazza: Yes, I agree, fornication is a SYN! Hehe!

    Those Elders on this committee sitting for Barbara would be incredibly dumb to have any part in this - because their asses are on the line, not the Watchtower's. Watchtower, your time has come!

    "Vaccination has never saved a human life. It does not prevent smallpox." The Golden Age, Feb 4 1931 p. 293-4 - The Sacredness of Human Blood (Reasons why vaccination is unscriptural)

  • Sam Beli
    Sam Beli

    " - because their asses are on the line, not the Watchtower's. Watchtower, your time has come!

    Syn, which is it?

    Sam Beli

    "...religion opposes the commandments of Almighty God." Violence by J. F. Rutherford 1938

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim

    Barbara,

    If you have to sue the weasels, my pocketbook is open for you.


    YERUSALYIM
    "Vanity! It's my favorite sin!"
    [Al Pacino as Satan, in "DEVIL'S ADVOCATE"]

  • Sam Beli
    Sam Beli

    bttt

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    The charges against Barbara - "Disrupting the unity of the congregation" and "Undermining confidence in Jehovah’s arrangement" are refinements of a charge of apostasy.

    Here's a condensation of the applicable portion of the secret JW rulebook, "Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock"

    "The Scriptures clearly show that Jehovah forbids certain
    conduct among his clean people; brothers need to up-
    hold Jehovah's righteous standards regarding the follow-
    ing:

    Manslaughter. . .

    Sexual misconduct, including; adultery, fornication, and
    other forms of "por.ne'a.." . . .

    Apostasy.

    Apostasy is a standing away from, a falling away, defec-
    tion, rebellion, abandonment; it involves teaching false
    doctrines, supporting or promoting false religion and its
    holidays or interfaith activities. (Deut. 13:13, 15; Josh.
    22:22, ftn.; Acts 21:21, ftn.; 2 Cor. 6:14, 15, 17, 18;
    2. John 7, 9, 10; Rev. 18:4)

    Those with sincere doubts should be helped, dealt with
    mercifully. (Jude 22, 23; w82 9/1 pp. 20-1;w80 8/1
    pp. 21-2)

    Apostasy includes action taken against true worship of
    Jehovah or his established order among his dedicated
    people. (Jer. 17:13; 23:15; 28:15, 16; 2 Thess. 2:9, 10)

    Persons who deliberately spread (stubbornly hold to and
    speak about) teachings contrary to Bible truth as taught
    by Jehovah's Witnesses are apostates.

    If it is learned that a person has taken up association with
    another religious organization, the matter should be inves-
    tigated, and if verified, a committee should be formed.

    If it is clearly established that the person has joined
    another religion and intends to remain with it, the
    elders would make a brief announcement to the congre-
    gation that such- one has disassociated himself. (w86
    10/15 p. 31 )

    Working secularly for a false religious organization could
    put one in a position similar to that of one preaching false
    doctrine. (2 Cor. 6:14-16)

    Celebrating a false religious holiday would be similar to
    performing any other act of false worship. (Jer. 7:16-19)

    The Bible condemns the following:

    Causing divisions and promoting sects.

    This would be deliberate action disrupting the unity
    of the congregation or undermining the confidence
    of the brothers in Jehovah's arrangement.

    It may involve or lead to apostasy. (Rom. 16:
    17, 18; Titus 3:10, 11 )

    The practice of spiritism. . .

    Idolatry. . .

    Drunkenness. . .

    Stealing, thievery, fraud. . .

    Deliberate, malicious lying; bearing false witness. . .

    Reviling; slander. . .

    Obscene speech. . .

    Failure to abstain from blood. . .

    Greed‹gambling, extortion. . .

    Adamant refusal to provide materially for one's ovn family‹leaving wife and children destitute when having the
    means to provide. . .

    Nonneutral activitics. . .

    Fits of anger, violence. . .

    Misuse of tobacco or addictive drugs. . .

    Loose conduct. . .

    SUMMARY: There are varying degrees of wrongdoing.
    At times there may have been an overlapping of sins, and
    this must be discerned in order to determine the proper
    Scriptural view of a person's conduct. In all cases, elders
    should carefully weigh each situation or circumstance.
    They need to find out what actually occurred, the extent
    and nature of misconduct, intent and motive, frequency
    or practice, and so forth. Good judgment, reasonableness,
    and balance are necessary as elders assess conduct in the
    light of the Scriptures."


    - Nathan Natas
    UADNA (Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America)
  • KJV
    KJV

    I wonder what the Society would do if Barbara asked for forgiveness and "repented". They couldn't disfellowship her.

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    KJV suggested, "I wonder what the Society would do if Barbara asked for forgiveness and "repented". They couldn't disfellowship her."

    Of course they could, if they judged her repentance as insufficient or insincere. God's spirit will not be found in the hearing room; it is populated with kangaroos.

  • biblexaminer
    biblexaminer

    Cleanliness?

    The WTS is not concerned with "cleanliness", but rather "the outward appearance of cleanliness"

    To be concerned with "cleanliness", they would have to rid the organization of it's child molestors... but that would tarnish their image.

    Instead, they concern themselves with their "outward appearance". They brag about how "clean" they are, and revelations of otherwise would harm their outward appearance.

    This is called being a "whitewashed grave" full of "dead men's bones" (Jesus Christ)AD30

    The Governing Body will perish, all together in one day.

  • Will Power
    Will Power

    "Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
    This people honors Me with their lips,
    But their heart is far away from Me.
    But in vain do they worship Me
    Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.
    Neglecting the commandment of God, yo hold to the tradition of men.
    Mark 7:6-8

    Now you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and of the platter; but inside of you, you are full of robbery and wickedness. You foolish ones, did not He who made the outside make the inside also?...46Woe to you lawyers as well! For you weigh men down with burdens hard to bear, while you yourselves will not even touch the burdens with one of your fingers....52 Woe to you lawyers! For you have taken away the key of knowledge; you yourseelves did not enter, and you hindered those who were entering.
    When He left there, the scribes and the Pharisees began to be very hostile and to question Him closely on many subjects, plotting against Him to catch Him in something He might say. Luke 11:39-54

    "Argue for your limitations, and sure enough they're yours."
    - Richard Bach

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