Posts by StarTrekAngel

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preface question:

by mohrb in

order of operations is important, so, i'll ask a question before i make assumptions and start "fixing things.".

obviously, the site heavily encourages the viewpoint of former j-dubs and others who have disagreements with the political posturing of the wbts.

i get that, and see your points.

Most of us were also thaught that the world outside the KH was evil. Many things are said about it and people feel compelled to continue to publish such ideas. My mother in law is one of many. I know she is not like this, she sincerely feels she is doing the right thing. My kids have been insisting on dressing up for halloween. She tried to talk them out of it. For other reasons, it did not happen but over the weekend, some news articles appear about some accidents related to halloween night. Some kids were killed by a drunk driver. She wasted no time on pointing out to my kids 'this is what happens to those who go out trick or threating". This does not come from her. This come from a constant banging on this dumb ideas and comparison that drive people to such extremes. I've been present in public talks where the speaker have said things like "its a deadly sin to miss a single meeting", while we are reminded that the talk was driven by the holy spirit. I would leave you with a quote to think about, it perfectly fits what happens inside the org

The great enemy of truth is very often not the lie - deliberate, contrived, and dishonest - but the myth - persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Too often we hold fast to the clitches of our forebears. We subject all facts to a prefabricated set of interpretations. We enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought

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preface question:

by mohrb in

order of operations is important, so, i'll ask a question before i make assumptions and start "fixing things.".

obviously, the site heavily encourages the viewpoint of former j-dubs and others who have disagreements with the political posturing of the wbts.

i get that, and see your points.

StarTrekAngel

Ok guys.. lets not make him right on his assesment because the truth is that we are not what he suspects. Rather we invite you to engage the debate, which in our experience is not something a regular JW will be willing to do. We were once on that side. Such is the opossite extreme of what you think you see here. Just as much as it seems we prefer to rant here rather than attempt to make a change from within, the regular JW would rather seat quietly on their cocoon of faith, have their believes handed over rather than do some pottentially painful thinking. All of which is augmentated by the possibility of loosing everything they know if they dare to question. Have you not read the WT definition of "apostate"? I would invite you to. It affirms that an apostate if defined in several ways. Most would agree that an aposate is someone who has refused God and his commandements. Which is true. However, the WTBTS society has redefined apostasy. Asides from the above, they added that anyone who refrains from following the word of God "as thaught by the Jehovah's witnesses" (not God) Please seat on the meaning of that for a while. Also, anyone who even begins to think, without verbally communicating it to anyone else, against what he's been thaught. While this all certainly fits the dictionary definition of apostasy, one who truly longs for biblical truth should now that you can only be an apostate against God. By extension, if you can prove that this is Jehovah's organization, then you certainly can apostasize against it and sin in the process. Unfortunately the latter can not be said by their own admission.

This is not a choice people made, it was made for them. We all were there once. I invite you to stick around and, like someone mentioned, shows us. Because we are eager to be wrong. Many here who have lost their families, wish they were wrong about going apostate.

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"Jehovah is really blessing our family! Thanks for your visit"

by stuckinarut2 in

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so i am being hounded by the elders who are staring to get suspicious about our "slackening off in the truth".

rather than being railroaded or pushed into a defensive or argumentative situation, i am keeping the following comment up my sleeve:.

"jehovah is really blessing our family life.

StarTrekAngel

haha! The only problem I see with your theory is that eventually, if the conversation does not end there, they will tell you that unless you are attending meetings, goind to fields service and conducting a mountain of bible studies, then more likely the blessings you are receiving are from satan. See, that is the only way that the father will give you things by addition, if you seek the kingdom first. Satan is trying to deceive you and they are there to rescue you. NOT!

If you want a specific elder and he is not available, tell them you can wait until he free.

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Anthony Morris' family?

by StarTrekAngel in

just simple quesiton.

in one video i saw, anthony morris iii makes the comment "i come from a wealthy family, you all know that".

does anyone know who this family is?

StarTrekAngel

LOL.. now for real.

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Anthony Morris' family?

by StarTrekAngel in

just simple quesiton.

in one video i saw, anthony morris iii makes the comment "i come from a wealthy family, you all know that".

does anyone know who this family is?

StarTrekAngel

Just simple quesiton. In one video I saw, Anthony Morris III makes the comment "I come from a wealthy family, you all know that". Does anyone know who this family is? What is their business? Where does such wealth come from?

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Undeniable proof the Organisation has Jehovahs Blessing and Direction

by wheelwithinwheel in

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StarTrekAngel

LOL.. This is a great topic. Comes to show that, while I do personally believe in God and the bible, humans are capable of making predictions based on current evidence. This is exactly what Jesus said. There is nowhere in the bible where you will be asked to believe anything blindly. Reasoning is the path to faith, and just like in thermodynamics, this is an irreversible process. One of the many failed attempts by WTS to criticize false prophets has been Deut 18:22. This seems like an easy way to reason over physical proof of ones annoinment. We all know this. However, what we never read on any studies, are the words of Deuth 13:1-3

I invite you to review them. It basically show that, if the prophet speaks and does not come true, then God did not send this prophet. But if he comes to you with signals and prophecies that do come true, and he then procees to tell you to follow an unknown God, then watch out. Reasoning is the only way to distinguish them

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I am JW.ORG

by LogCon in

famous quote from wuthering heights revised.. '... i am jw.org!

it's always, always in my mind: not as a pleasure, any more than i am always a pleasure to myself, but as my own being.

so don't talk of our separation again: it is impracticable...'.

StarTrekAngel

Sorry if I did not get it westiebilly11, but Aaron did not die for it. Am I missing something?

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Seen on Etsy - wtf!

by poopsiecakes in

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StarTrekAngel

Not when you take "pride on Jehovah"

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The WT as a bureacracy

by jgnat in

here's a quote from a health care change agent, which i think suits the wts very well.. no matter how innovative or entrepreneurial a firm might have been at its start, once it is has been in existence for some time and has an established place in the social economy, its goal in life is to persist.

it leaves the world of innovation, often loses its purpose, and exists solely to exist, i.e., to cover its costs.

often this is a reflection of the corporate hierarchy, where, sadly, leaders lose their sense of providing true value to their customers, intent instead on aggrandizing their own position and preserving their status.

StarTrekAngel

Very much so... Its human nature. We crave certainty and harmony. Remember that is the root that gives existance to cognitive dissonance. That is why, after such process unfold, a CEO confronted with low profits or low growth, would rather cut out jobs than lower his salary. When he started the company he was more than willing to put up his own money to further the investment. Generically speaking that is.

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Seen on Etsy - wtf!

by poopsiecakes in

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StarTrekAngel

You know what is truly scary? That while some are probably taking advantage of this and pocketing the money.. I am pretty sure many JWs are donating everything they are making on this. What could be call this? Proxy maketing?