Posts by sunny23

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How to Avoid the Faithless Spirit of most here-

by DocHouse in

1- pray to god (whomever you may imagine him to be) asking for understanding.

2- study the background about the bible (from non-religious sources) to see where it came from.

3- discard (or at least set aside) chuyrch claims and dogma.. 4- read it, looking up archaeological/historical sources about the places and peoples referred to.

sunny23

The EVIDENCE is in how well our body (and all living things) is formed, and all its many parts that function TOGETHER. Combined with ecosyatems that have what the body needs to live, the design is obvious, unless blinded by emotion....Doc

DOC:

That reasoning contradicts itself for a believer as yourself. Is not God far more complex than our brain and nervous system? Is not God far more complex than our ecosystems? Yet you believe that God was not created! By your logic, you give me more reason to say that God MUST have been created! He is far more complex than anything we know. There is no way he wasn't created!

The belief that God has always existed and was not created is even more preposterous and requires a larger leap of faith than the belief that: the known elements of the universe have always existed in some form and out of billions of galaxies with sextillions of planets and stars that one of them (milky way) would contain a planet just close enough to a star in the right orbit with the right amount of resources to produce life over billions of years time. Try another form of evidence please. You said that, "faith is held in the things unseen." Keep to that advice my friend :) Don't use "things seen" as "evidence" for God :)

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Blood in whose army!?

by sunny23 in

used this method to logically convince my friend who is also dfd of one of many reasons as to why i shall never return and he agreed.

let me know if anything is false or misleading and we can revise :).

blood transfusions:.

sunny23

After re-reading all the comments I guess I should reword the questionaire. I believe it still holds a strong pro-transfusion argument to JW's..

Blood Transfusions:

Back in ancient times , the OT, were the 10 commandments important?

Yes

Was there any blood law mentioned in them?

No

The Sabbath and keeping it was one of the 10 commandments right?

Yes

Breaking that commandment meant severe punishment, death, a greater punishment than breaking a so called blood law?

Yes

Exodus 31:14-15 "You shall keep the Sabbath, for it is holy unto you: every one that defiles it shall surely be put to DEATH: for whosoever does ANY work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever does any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to DEATH."

Did people get executed for eating blood in the bible?

No

Is it safe to say that keeping to the ten commandments was just as important as a law on blood?

Yes

Did Jesus ever show exemptions from the God instituted Sabbath law?

Yes

How did he?

Matthew 12:1-13

Jesus said: "What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the Sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? How much then is a man better than a sheep?Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the Sabbath days. Then said he to the man, Stretch forth your hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other."

So Jesus taught that the preservation of life supersedes scriptural law?

Yes

Can a blood transfusion save a life?

Yes

Did they have the capabilities to use blood to save lives in the bible?

No

Is saving a human life more important than restoring a human hand?

Yes

Are humans more important that Sheep?

No...JK

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I know there is NO GOD

by jam in

isis, plain and simple.

if there is a god there is no way he.

would allow this to occur (beheading of james foley).

sunny23

Just makes me wonder what her stance is on US involvement in Syria is. It's a very grey area concerning drawing a line regarding morality in intervening with violence. How much killing does a group of extremists have to perform before a stronger third party steps in? How many extremists does the third party have to kill before seasing fire?

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I know there is NO GOD

by jam in

isis, plain and simple.

if there is a god there is no way he.

would allow this to occur (beheading of james foley).

sunny23

Yes glenster after more research on the Dam and air strikes I see that this is more of an "stay out of our battles " message to the US than it is about bystanders. However it's still interesting how it was worded. Here is James Foleys statement from his Mom:

"We have never been prouder of our son Jim. He gave his life trying to expose the world to the suffering of the Syrian people.

We implore the kidnappers to spare the lives of the remaining hostages. Like Jim, they are innocents. They have no control over American government policy in Iraq, Syria or anywhere in the world.

We thank Jim for all the joy he gave us. He was an extraordinary son, brother, journalist and person. Please respect our privacy in the days ahead as we mourn and cherish Jim."

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I know there is NO GOD

by jam in

isis, plain and simple.

if there is a god there is no way he.

would allow this to occur (beheading of james foley).

sunny23

ISIS posted a video to YouTube depicting Foley reading a prepared state-ment urging Americans to stop their support for the U.S. government for itsbombing campaign against ISIS targets""

Nice Wikipedia regurgitation. Have you watched the video? Jim's eyes were closed for most of it. He addressed his immediate family and he let his words flow passionately on the spot. Who memorizes a "prepared and read statement like that Mr. Wikipedia?!

I'm not siding with anyone and the actions of all Muslim group extremists like this have been morally unacceptable. Im also not saying that religion plays no part in the conflicts with ISIS and the likes, it does. I was referring to the message sent to America specfically in that video. In fact, as a side note, unless Foleys body is recovered then it's still speculation that he's dead. The video shows no blood and cuts away before anything harmful happens.

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If you don't believe in God, Jesus, and everything in the Bible, you are willfully ignorant.

by defender of truth in

ablebodiedman posted~ 10 mins ago (8/16/2014).

post 741 of 741. .

"i absolutely 100% believe in god, jesus christ and everything recorded in the bible.. the reason why is because of the overwhelming amount of evidence.. there is so much evidence that it has taken me years to examine what has cemented my own convictions.".

sunny23

Thank you for answering Abe. So how do you reconcile 2Thess where it says that those who do not know Jesus will be eternally destroyed? Explain.

"Answer my question:Did you never have an opportunity to learn about Jesus Christ?"-Abe

I have had plenty of opportunities to learn and have learned and doubt that Jesus actually ever existed due to lack of secular evidence and even if he did I have no reason to believe beyond a doubt that everything thats in the bible about him is accurate. He very well could have been a "Ghandi" type of person in the right time and place to start a cultural revolution for all I know. If i'm agnostic, live my life how i please, and wait until i die to find out and if I see Jesus after I die and then choose him as my king is that wrong? According to your statement ""I'm back, now who wants me to be their king and who does not"."

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I know there is NO GOD

by jam in

isis, plain and simple.

if there is a god there is no way he.

would allow this to occur (beheading of james foley).

sunny23

" At one time what ISIS did would have been thought of by many people as an acceptable way to wage war. "

The ISIS beheading wasn't an act to wage war, it was done out of a type of ransom to put a stop to the current war but more specifically the mass killings of innocent iraqi bystandards to US launched missles. The entire topic spoken by Foley and his captor was political and I don't remember hearing anything about God or religion. I would rather not re-watch it to verify so correct me if I'm wrong.

Consider, "Perhaps the single most important factor in ISIS' recent resurgence is the conflict between Iraqi Shias and Iraqi Sunnis. ISIS fighters themselves are Sunnis, and the tension between the two groups is a powerful recruiting tool for ISIS.

The difference between the two largest Muslim groups originated with a controversy over who got to take power after the Prophet Muhammed's death. But Iraq's sectarian problems aren't about relitigating 7th-century disputes; they're about modern political power and grievances."- http://www.vox.com/cards/things-about-isis-you-need-to-know/sunni-shia-conflict-ISIS

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What was YOUR First Worldly Experience?

by Yondaime in

while i was in florida during the spring visiting my oldest sister.

i had the time of my life with my brother in law.. you see my sister married a non-believer and my parents viewed him as the scum of the earth, so i was terrified to ever talk to him.

turns out he's one of the coolest people i have ever met.

sunny23

What was YOUR first Worldly Experience?

Got drunk at age 20, felt real guilty. Tried pot at age 25. First major worldy expereince was vagina at age 26.

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If you don't believe in God, Jesus, and everything in the Bible, you are willfully ignorant.

by defender of truth in

ablebodiedman posted~ 10 mins ago (8/16/2014).

post 741 of 741. .

"i absolutely 100% believe in god, jesus christ and everything recorded in the bible.. the reason why is because of the overwhelming amount of evidence.. there is so much evidence that it has taken me years to examine what has cemented my own convictions.".

sunny23

RJHarris how can you be sure of even what Jesus "said" in the bible?

Note this:

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"The earliest works — some of Paul’s Epistles — date to about the middle of the first century. Like the Gospels that followed, they were written by hand, and successors were copied by hand. Mistakes occasionally crept in.Moreover, with Christianity in its infancy and the earliest Christians still trying to clarify the full meaning of Jesus, his mission and his stories, the texts themselves sometimes changed from generation to generation, said Warren.

As archeologists and historians in later years uncovered more early manuscripts, each one hand-copied from some predecessor, they could see occasional additions or subtractions from a phrase, a verse or a story.The changes are called “variants.”

Most changes are inconsequential, the result of mere copying errors, or the replacement of a less common word for a more common word.But others are more important. They meant something.

For example, the famous tale in John’s Gospel in which Jesus challenges a mob about to stone a woman accused of adultery — “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her” — is a variant that copyists began inserting into John at least 300 years after that Gospel first appeared.

In the conclusion to Mark, the description of Jesus appearing to various disciples after his resurrection does not appear in the earliest manuscripts.And in Luke, the crucified Jesus’ plea that his executioners be forgiven “for they know not what they are doing” likewise does not appear in the earliest versions of his Gospel." -Nola.com

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So even after you bash the bible for its vast lack of credibility you state Jesus words as fact? Maybe I misinterpreted what you were getting at. How can you be sure of anything that someone attributed to Jesus as having said in the bible ever? Also you said this "The Bible is NOT the Word of God, Christ is. It is blasphemous to stand up a book that men themselves authorized and gave a name to next to the Christ and call it the Word of God." But didn't Jesus quote the old testament. Was that blasphemy lol?

Also to ABE..According to 2Thessalonians, Will Jesus destroy even those who do not know him (for example, a person in a part of the world that is never exposed to The Word ever)? Answer Yes or No please

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If you don't believe in God, Jesus, and everything in the Bible, you are willfully ignorant.

by defender of truth in

ablebodiedman posted~ 10 mins ago (8/16/2014).

post 741 of 741. .

"i absolutely 100% believe in god, jesus christ and everything recorded in the bible.. the reason why is because of the overwhelming amount of evidence.. there is so much evidence that it has taken me years to examine what has cemented my own convictions.".

sunny23

Abe quit redirecting the question to me. My question is this, Do you believe that Jesus will personally destroy even those who do not know him (for example, a person in a part of the world that is never exposed to The Word)? Answer Yes or No please :-)