Posts by KateWild

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God is love, but if you dont love him back he will slaughter you!

by BU2B in

this was one of the things that first got me thinking.

i noticed how in books like "draw close to jehovah" they paint god as a loving, warm, just god who does not desire any to die.

i could not love him at all, let alone with my whole heart.

KateWild

I cannot and will not be pressured into loving anything or anyone under threat of death.- BU2B

I feel the same way, but having said that I am facinated by evolution and creation. I love learning more about the chemical processes and physical chemistry. This love of discovery and grasping evolutionary concepts draws me closer to the Creator, I don't actually believe he is the God of the bible so I do not hold any contept towards him. I believe people made up stories and profess they are from God when in fact they are not.

I also have no expectations that God cares about anyone enough to help them in times of suffering. The God I belive in is very different from the God of the bible.

Kate xx

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Publisher Statistics

by lurkernomore in

i was watching a couple videos on youtube earlier and always like to peruse the comments at the bottom of the page.. i'm no sure if this has been discussed recently, but one indivdual made the claim that the societies numbers are massively over inflated, as he/she believes that they include inactive, df'd and da'd in their figures.. does anyone have any information to confirm this or i this just another assumption made without evidence?.

(also has anyone heard from witnessmyfury lately?

i had a pm chat with him a few days ago but not had a reply to my latest msgs.

KateWild

falsified their hours (especially the pioneers) so i don't have any faith in those figures being correct.-Lurkie

This is a big point, we know all JWs inflate their hours, coount time for coffee breaks and such. Apostates lie so they won't get DF'd, the whole thing is a farce, it's a cult and that's why you can't trust any publisher stats. What you have to think about is the motive for such stats. Why does WT publish stats?

It's to make JWs work harder for the publishing company, to motivate it's members to do more for WT and gain nothing in return. It's a way to motivate JWs to feel good about their dedication to WT.

Kate xx

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Why is the world full of ATHEISTS?

by exWTslave in

bible describes atheism as a condition of the heart and is all about seeking what is ephemeral, not acting with insight.

(psalm 14:1, 2) thus it rightly says the whole world is lying in the attraction of what is ephemeral.

(wicked one is not a correct translation.1 john 5:19) thus even believers who pray to god (for material blessings) are actually atheists as they are not trying to be poor in spirit.

KateWild

Why is the world full of ATHEISTS?- exWTslave

Without reading the whole thread I would like to answer the OP question. There are many believers in the world, without doing a poll of the world I would hazard a guess that atheists are actually in the minority.

As to the question why are some atheist, I personally think it's because they are concrete thinkers and need black and white evidence and proof before they believe anything. Atheists don't beleive in leaps of faith. Faith is something that is backed up by a reasonable amount of evidence and then the leap is made. Athiests think differently, they need proof of everything.

That is my view why there are many atheists in the world today. It's the difference between abstract and concrete thinking IMO.

Kate xx

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JW.org down?

by jw07 in

i'm seeing tons of comments from sad jws on my facebook feed saying that the beloved golden calf jw.org is offline.. what are you seeing when you try it?

*crosses fingers* i wish it could never ever return.. are they getting too much traffic to support?.

work of hackers?

KateWild

Both phone and laptop working for me. but very different layout. Back to normal dot com. Kate xx

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I think this is closure for me.

by quellycatface in

well, i have finally got rid of my baptism cards.

the congratulations cards....the wt ones, the ones with sheep on etc.... all gone.

they dated back to 23/09/2000.. has anyone else "purged" their witness past this way?.

KateWild

I had a big clearout when I moved, I was wonderful. Kate xx

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Atheists and JWs are on the same footing!

by exWTslave in

atheists believe that god should stop the large-scale injustice on earth; if he does'nt, then he does not exist.

jws believe that god will intervene sometime in the last days!.

interestingly, both throw themselves on their own expectation of soemthing god should or will do, yet in fact something god does not have to do.

KateWild

galaxie, very well put. I see your perspective. However my perspective is the opposite. People that inflict harm are evil, people that have the power to stop harm and don't are evil too. God is niether, but I see your pespective and why you are trying to corner me. Sadly I don't think you see my perspective, but you may.

That is also something that causes suffering, the inability to undestand anothers perspective. If I say it hurts then stop doing it, don't reply with a justification and continue to cause pain.

Kate xx

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Atheists and JWs are on the same footing!

by exWTslave in

atheists believe that god should stop the large-scale injustice on earth; if he does'nt, then he does not exist.

jws believe that god will intervene sometime in the last days!.

interestingly, both throw themselves on their own expectation of soemthing god should or will do, yet in fact something god does not have to do.

KateWild

exWTslave, Dr Len's experiment sounds very interesting if it's real. I personally find it hard to believe apart from the fact that the ward got closed down. How likely is it all these patients have probably re offended and are in different institutions.

I do believe if you treat people with love they are loving back to you.

Thanks for your story

Kate xx

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Atheists and JWs are on the same footing!

by exWTslave in

atheists believe that god should stop the large-scale injustice on earth; if he does'nt, then he does not exist.

jws believe that god will intervene sometime in the last days!.

interestingly, both throw themselves on their own expectation of soemthing god should or will do, yet in fact something god does not have to do.

KateWild

Kate - By definition a theist believes that god is intimately involved in human affairs in every moment. If you dont believe this you are a deist or atheist.-cofty

hahaha!!!! haven't we already established this months ago.

I have never blamed man for natural diasters, that's just silly. I agree many will always die from natural disasters it's a fact of life but, natural disaster are not evil, niether is the creator God. I don't like labelling myelf a deist as my beliefs are unique, but I am certainly not an atheist, or as you put it cofty, I just don't know it. Kate xx

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Atheists and JWs are on the same footing!

by exWTslave in

atheists believe that god should stop the large-scale injustice on earth; if he does'nt, then he does not exist.

jws believe that god will intervene sometime in the last days!.

interestingly, both throw themselves on their own expectation of soemthing god should or will do, yet in fact something god does not have to do.

KateWild

In the form of a discussion forum it is interesting to me the theists point of view, after all the people who are affected by suffering , torture, agony through no fault of their own may rightly wonder why the loving god they believe in has abandoned them to their fate.-galaxie

Yes I do believe that many feel abandoned by God, as I once did. But now I felt I was abandoned by my loved ones, God was not counted as one of those. Those that have the power to end our suffering and do not are evil, they see the abuse and fail to act, they cause the abuse and enjoy it. This is evil. I just don't imagine God is caring or kind. He is simply indifferent.

Kate xx

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Atheists and JWs are on the same footing!

by exWTslave in

atheists believe that god should stop the large-scale injustice on earth; if he does'nt, then he does not exist.

jws believe that god will intervene sometime in the last days!.

interestingly, both throw themselves on their own expectation of soemthing god should or will do, yet in fact something god does not have to do.

KateWild

What would be your opinion of this god (should he exist ) who indifferently with his foreknowledge and ability does zilch to prevent horrendous agony and suffering to his creations?-galaxie

I am not sure I understand the question. This is where a lot of atheists come unstuck. They claim.......................

If God exists he is evil

The point is they don't belive he does exist so specualting on his personality is something I cannot comprehend. I don't believe God wrote the bible, I don't belive God punishes or rewards, hence I don't believ e your question makes sense. I am not angered by suffering I am angred by the evil I see in other humans and animals. I hold those to account that I can see are accountable.

If a dog savagely attacked another dog, or child or cat, I would hold the dog accountable for it's actions and punish the dog if it were in my power to do so. In the UK many would have this savage beast put down.

Deaths from natural disasters could be prevented from being so high if governments were held to account more. Building on fault lines is a recepie for disaster, not using proper materials and evacuating at the right times is a recepie for disaster. Very rarely does a natural disaster occur without warning. Then there is the clean up after a disaster, this all too often takes far to long and citizens living in squalor for many years after.

Kate xx