Posts by fastJehu

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Sign of apostasy

by Ireneus in

elders arranged a sort of informal visit by a more capable elder accompanied by another brother who is more qualified than me from academic background.

their purpose was to reason with me as a last resort to avoid a jc.. during the two-hour discussion, i could make my point clear to them: “i don’t think any one particular religion has the whole truth.

it may be existing as bits and piece in all religions and schools of thought.

fastJehu

*** w81 9/1 p. 21 par. 23 Happy Are Those Whom God Corrects ***
23 Usually a committee of three elders is designated to handle a case of grave wrongdoing. They do not act as mere judges or ‘spiritual policemen.’ They are shepherds of the flock, and prove to be such when dealing with an individual wrongdoer. A shepherd of literal sheep does not display a spirit of vengeance, harshness or faultfinding. Nor should the elders. They are there to help, not to condemn. (Jude 23) Their goal is to turn the sinner back from his way, if that is possible.—Jas. 5:19, 20.

*** w75 8/1 p. 474 par. 14 Elders Presiding in a Fine Way ***
14 All the elders should appreciate their position in relation to the other brothers and sisters in the congregation. They are not spiritual bosses or spiritual policemen. They do not have to pry into the lives of other members of the congregation or concern themselves with the personal problems of every brother and sister.

*** w66 9/1 p. 539 A Provision for Spiritual Help in Times of Need ***
It is important for those in the congregation to appreciate why this congregation committee exists. These men should not be viewed as spiritual policemen to be feared. True, the overseer and the two other brothers on the committee watch out for the spiritual welfare of the sheeplike ones in their care, but they are to do so as loving shepherds, tenderly, and not in an arbitrary and dictatorial manner. They are not bosses, but are servants.

We all know better

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Petra--Four Elder Letters are here!

by Atlantis in

4 of those elder letters need to be posted.

( atlantis has an eye exam ) and dad is eating up all the peach cobbler!

brat!.

fastJehu

@ Petra

Thanks a lot for the uploads.

Do you see any chance to upload the following form:

The Public Witnessing Supplies (S-80) form

Thanks in advance.

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Using Watchtowers Own Reasoning Against Them RE: The Governing Body

by pale.emperor in

something occurred to me today.

quite randomly as i was working away at my desk i remembered an illustration from the bible teach book in which satan claimed he knew better than jehovah about ruling mankind.

here's the illustration from chapter 11 of that book:.

fastJehu

pale.emperor
Something occurred to me today. Quite randomly as i was working away at my desk i remembered an illustration from the Bible Teach book in which Satan claimed he knew better than Jehovah about ruling mankind. Here's the illustration from Chapter 11.

This illustration would not longer work with an chemistry class and chemical formulas on the board.

With this argument, I will not attack the godlike governing body and a JW may think about this wrong illustration.

Still a brilliant illustration pale.emperor

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Has the Governing Body EVER apologized for anything?

by Wild_Thing in

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geoffrey jackson testified to the arc that the governing body has apologized for things in the past, so an apology to sexual abuse victims is "perceivable".

what has the governing body ever apologized for?.

22 q. just on that point, mr jackson, has the governing body23 considered apologising to survivors of child sexual abuse24 at the hands of elders within the organisation?25 a. i haven't been in any discussions with regard to that.26 27 q. is that something that you foresee might happen ‐ in 28 other words, that an apology at least be considered?29 a. the governing body has apologised on other matters, so30 for me to say ‐ i can't speak collectively for everybody, 31 but we have apologised on things in the past, in other32 areas, so it is perceivable.. .

fastJehu

Quotes from WT - PIMI JWs will show as evidence, that the WT has apologized AND was not wrong:

*** w76 7/15 p. 441 pars. 15-16 A Solid Basis for Confidence ***
15 But it is not advisable for us to set our sights on a certain date, neglecting everyday things we would ordinarily care for as Christians, such as things that we and our families really need. We may be forgetting that, when the “day” comes, it will not change the principle that Christians must at all times take care of all their responsibilities. If anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises.
16 However, say that you are one who counted heavily on a date, and, commendably, set your attention more strictly on the urgency of the times and the need of the people to hear. And say you now, temporarily, feel somewhat disappointed; are you really the loser? Are you really hurt? We believe you can say that you have gained and profited by taking this conscientious course. Also, you have been enabled to get a really mature, more reasonable viewpoint.—Eph. 5:1-17.

*** w80 3/15 pp. 17-18 pars. 5-6 Choosing the Best Way of Life ***
5 In modern times such eagerness, commendable in itself, has led to attempts at setting dates for the desired liberation from the suffering and troubles that are the lot of persons throughout the earth. With the appearance of the book Life Everlasting—in Freedom of the Sons of God, and its comments as to how appropriate it would be for the millennial reign of Christ to parallel the seventh millennium of man’s existence, considerable expectation was aroused regarding the year 1975. There were statements made then, and thereafter, stressing that this was only a possibility. Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, there were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility. It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated.
6 In its issue of July 15, 1976, The Watchtower, commenting on the inadvisability of setting our sights on a certain date, stated: “If anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises.” In saying “anyone,” The Watchtower included all disappointed ones of Jehovah’s Witnesses, hence including persons having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date.

Not false - only premature

*** w97 9/1 p. 21 par. 11 Keep Jehovah’s Day Close in Mind ***
11 Ridiculers may well have mocked faithful Christians because these had as yet unrealized expectations. Shortly before Jesus died, his disciples “were imagining that the kingdom of God was going to display itself instantly.” Then, after his resurrection they asked whether the Kingdom would be set up right away. Also, about ten years before Peter wrote his second letter, some were “excited” by “a verbal message” or “a letter,” reputedly from the apostle Paul or his companions, “to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here.” (Luke 19:11; 2 Thessalonians 2:2; Acts 1:6) Such expectations of Jesus’ disciples, however, were not false, only premature. Jehovah’s day would come!

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The Carts question

by blownaway in

so the carts i see all over the place, where do they get them?

do they give them out to the rank and file or do they have to pay?.

fastJehu

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/382700001/what-costs-literature-cart-witnessing

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New Loophole Created: You can cheat on your spouse without him/her being able to divorce you

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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the new "pillowgate" video exposed a loophole in the witnesses´s thinking, showing how dangerous and stupid legalism is.. this loophole is sure to destroy many people´s lives.. 1) they said that two men masturbating at the same time in front of each other does not constitute "porneia".. 2) "porneia" is the only biblical reason for divorce.. 3) from 1) we can also get two women masturbating in front of each other, or a man and a woman masturbating in front of each other, does not constitute "porneia".4) most people would consider masturbating at the same time with another person to be cheating, and a logical reason for divorce.. so this will lead to many witnesses going to the elders and being told that they cannot divorce this person who clearly cheated on them.

then, if this person (the "innocent mate") divorces and marries someone else, then that person would be the one possibly disfellowshipped!the implications of the loophole are so stupid and so damaging!i predict another flip-flop.

"considering things more closely, this is "porneia"... or doubling down on it ("sorry but that is what the biblical limits are") or just fading away into those things that only 1% of jw´s know it´s a rule....

fastJehu

ILoveTTATT2
3) From 1) we can also get two women masturbating in front of each other, or a man and a woman masturbating in front of each other, does NOT constitute "porneia".

BUT - if one of them (man and woman masturbating in front of each other) will stay over night - this will be a biblical reason for divorce.

You are right with:

...how dangerous and stupid legalism is...

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What else is there to the so called "Truth"

by jdash in

first of all, i want to say thanks to all of you guys who gave me advice on my first post.

it really helped and i will try to use all of it.

now, i been doing research on what is false about the jdubs.

fastJehu

smiddy3
Jw`s published "The Kingdom Interlinear of The Christian Greek Scriptures " { Ki } some years ago which had a word for word translation of the Greek Text. do they still use it ? I wouldn`t be surprised if they didn`t.

They still have "The Kingdom Interlinear" in their JW Library APP beside other translations.

If they use it? I think no.

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I've Disassociated. It's getting announced tomorrow.

by Heathen Dan in

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this is my first post to this site, im pale.emperor's brother:).

first of all, i've left being a jw in june.

since then my family have tried to convince me it's "the truth" and force me to go back even though it's my own decision.

fastJehu

@ Heathen Dan

Welcome here on board. I followed your story since your brother (pale.emperor) wrote about.

Here you will have true friends around the world. I wish you the power to make your way.

Greetings from Germany - fastJehu

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Jw carts

by Jrjw in

i was just thinking it would be funny if apostates set up jwfacts carts and placed them in areas where the jws do their metropolitan witnessing to unwitness to people the witnesses have spoken to.

it would probably get the jws backs up like or it would stop the cart witnessing altogether.

fastJehu

stan livedeath
was it obligatory for each congregation to buy so many of these carts ? how much do they cost ? who supplies them ?

The costs listed in the form S-80. I never saw this online, maybe someone can post this form. More answers:

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/382700001/what-costs-literature-cart-witnessing

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Tony "Tightpants" Morris Talks Of Tight Pants AGAIN!!

by pale.emperor in

again with the pants... tony, if you can't stop looking at young men in tight pants don't take it out on the rest of us.

https://www.facebook.com/john.cedars.5/posts/868329653345317.

fastJehu

I like the youtube tight-pants contest here