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Chelsea 3 - MUN 1 .................Great stuff ....well done Samuel and Jose
" take your meds !" Its da Afrikan sun Maaaan !
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Witnesses: Why The 1/19/14 WT Lesson Is Dangerous
by Apognophos intoday's watchtower lesson touched on the history of hezekiah's reign, and then made a surprising modern-day application.
having used my time before the meeting to research the underlying material instead of highlighting my magazine, i personally found this to be an upsetting study, and decided to put this warning here in the hopes that some active witnesses read it.. the most important thing i want to say to you is that the actual flow of events in this bible account were severely misrepresented, and that there are some disturbing implications in the distortions that were made.
1. hezekiah's father ahaz makes himself a vassal to assyria out of fear of their overwhelming might (2 kings 16:7, 8).. 2. upon becoming king, hezekiah rebels against assyria (2 kings 18:7).
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Our Kingdom ministry March 2013 Question
by RobertT18 inis it true that the march ministry is hinting that this year will be the last memorial, someone just said that today in the service, just wanted to confirm.. .
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edit: forgot to add the month..
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AFRIKANMAN
tuejw,
I trust there is no obligation on anyone to attend your "dump ceremony" ?? Or pass any "emblems" around ??
Of course statements like that in the KM are interpreted as cameo prophecies and everyone spreads it around like the Plague and believes in it.
" We did not tell you to get all excited and start selling up and cashing our prior to 1975 now did we - you did not stick to the things written - you squirming little Am-ha-aret - you !"
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Has anyone heard about Elders latest instructions re: Child abuse?
by Newly Enlightened inok, we got an email thru facebook from a viewer of ours and he said that he had heard, that it is not even going out in a boe letter, the elders have to sign into their secure https://www.jw.org/apps/e_hfrsfvtrhc1.
page to get firmer instructions on how to handle any child abuse accusations and they are being told not to call the police..
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What happens if the victim needs to undergo a testing to obtain evidence eg sperm? Is there not a critical window period after which the evidence is not useful etc anymore - eg many victims tell of how they wish to shower and bath after rape to 'wash" away the dirty feeling thay are stricken with. thus if you still have to contact Mother it sould take days ......................................................after which you have sub-standard case.
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Humour
by schlick init seems like the wt society makes good use of humor to lure people into the sect during the meetings, ca, annual meets, etc.
wonder does anyone else believe that is a big way for them to try to make people enjoy all the meetings..
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SFPW - you are undergoing a metamorphosis - or maybe a metamorphgnosis - good stuff !!!
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Elders book....margin notes not copyrighted!
by snare&racket inthe watchtower moan about copyright when people quote or display the shepherd the flock book, but those big margins are there for the info they dare not write in ink, the juicy bits!
being in the margin and penned, are not copyrighted.... anyone fancy copying their margins, or sharing the interesting legal/doctrinal bits and bobs?.
anyone have the time to scan them in?.
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Stand for Pure Worship is our resident censor. A JW - in spiritual Drag - suffering intense CD / CB yearning to "come out" but stricken - like a ship in stormy seas - with guilt.
SFPW - You certainly like to set you own rulz about which web-pages you wish to participate with. Even though this is clearly against da rulz !! YOu hang around here cos you lurv being with this crew. Also it keeps you ahead of the pack in getting he latest nooz and gossip on things as this place is always one step ahead of the rest.
I'm off to the beach - nuff of this !!
Ta Ta dearies !
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shock horror! WITNESSING ATTIRE NOW CONDONES OPEN-NECK SHIRTS FOR MALES!
by steve2 ingo to jw.org right now friends and you will see a young male jw witnessing in a rural setting with publication in hand and - take careful note - wearing a crisply-white open-neck shirt.
bring out the carnival, light the lights: the organ ization is kicking itself into an ongoing casualization of its rank and file.. in the 1960s through 1980s i know brothers who dared to attire themselves sans ties who were reprimanded or worse.
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Definitely localised "rulz" - Here in Africa in some locations the "native" brothers will still be in collar and tie despite it maybe being +35 Deg C.
I am currently speaking to people informally while dressed in my beach shorts and T-Shirt with my towel over my shoulders - [shock horror to the elders] but I set my own rulz wrt who/what/when I wish to speak to people about life and God and spirituality. I only carry a Bible with me in my "man-bag"
We did have a congregation in the very Calvinist / Ultra-white city of Bloemfontein which kept a wardrobe of white shirts and conservative ties in the back room so that any visiting speaker could be made to "re-dress" in order to conform with their standard.
3 years ago I was spoken to by a CO at a DC where I was giving a talk - who asked me to refrain from wearing a Pinkish shirt - he felt it carried gay overtones.
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Why are there no black angels?
by snare&racket injw literature is racist as hell.
jesus looks like an american folk singer, the governing body look like a corrupt version of an enron luncheon.. the jw's literally print different magazines for africa with african pictures, black people instead of white, to make it 'more appealing' to them.... just to be clear that means they think the opposite is true too!.
....and then there is the lack of black angels..... .
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CTR maintained that "them black folks" gonna be converted to White folks in da Kingdom. Y'all take note.
34 deg C in Cape Town ! Great day
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Crazy JW urban legend
by Simon ina sure guarantee that this was bogus (really, any reasoning is required at all?
) was that it did the rounds applied to john denver, annie lennox and others.. basically, they relied on satan (oh yes) for their musical ability (i knew it) and any jws in the audience would be asked to leave because ... (drum roll) ... they blocked the signal to satan so couldn't perform with them present!.
anyone else remember that gem?.
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Dont fall into the trap of the Urban Legend - the fact that it ends up growing further "legs" is what makes it abound even further - "A friend who was there told me" "I was there" " the cousin of a cousin of the wife of my husbands second sister twice removed was there and told me herself" "I was a a seance and John D told me himself" --- and then the conspiracy theory based addendums to the story -
I dont deny that there is "backward masking" but I do remember a talk at a DC in which we were urged to examine our Vinyl [those days] collections and then purge it and he quoted all these "incidents" which as it turned out later had been compiled by BA Christians and he sourced his material straight from that - and then we purged our collections based on that. All cock a pot !!
btw is it possible to check the hidden messages of CD's ?? Cant play them backwards and besides you wouldnt have much evidence off-a the digital copy.
Ave - have a great day
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Crazy JW urban legend
by Simon ina sure guarantee that this was bogus (really, any reasoning is required at all?
) was that it did the rounds applied to john denver, annie lennox and others.. basically, they relied on satan (oh yes) for their musical ability (i knew it) and any jws in the audience would be asked to leave because ... (drum roll) ... they blocked the signal to satan so couldn't perform with them present!.
anyone else remember that gem?.
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Oops didnt mean to make such a long reply ! Ag Sorrrry Man !
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Crazy JW urban legend
by Simon ina sure guarantee that this was bogus (really, any reasoning is required at all?
) was that it did the rounds applied to john denver, annie lennox and others.. basically, they relied on satan (oh yes) for their musical ability (i knew it) and any jws in the audience would be asked to leave because ... (drum roll) ... they blocked the signal to satan so couldn't perform with them present!.
anyone else remember that gem?.
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Famous musician orders all audience members of a particular religious or national group to leave his concert.
...Ordered Away Claim: Famous musician orders all audience members of a particular religious or national group to leave his concert. Examples:...
...year ago. It reported John [Denver] asked if anyone in his audience was a Jehovah's Witness. A few people put up their hands, and John asked them to...
...orders members of particular groups to leave his concerts has over the years been attached to a number of performers, including Clint Black, Phil...
Sun, 15 Dec 2013 12:11:57 GMT http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/ordered.asp[Collected on the Internet, 2000]
There was apparently a story some years ago, which I heard less than a year ago. It reported John [Denver] asked if anyone in his audience was a Jehovah's Witness. A few people put up their hands, and John asked them to leave.
[Collected via e-mail, 2006]
I heard from a Jewish friend of mine that Phil Collins once asked all Jewish people at one of his concerts to leave before he would play. They did get to have their tickets prices refunded.
[Collected via e-mail, 2006]
This big shot western singer Keith Urban asked all Canadians to stand up at the Minot Fair. After everyone stood up he asked all the Canadians to leave the stands before he would sing because they were not helping out fighting with USA troops. Pass this around and see how his record sales do in Canada. Also Garth Brooks donated 1 million to keep Canadian cattle out of USA.
Origins: The legend about the hate-filled musician who orders members of particular groups to leave his concerts has over the years been attached to a number of performers, including Clint Black, Phil Collins, John Denver, Gloria Estefan, Don Ho, and Keith Urban. Usually the music lovers being ostracized are Jehovah's Witnesses, but when the rumor attaches to Phil Collins, the ones being driven away are Jews, and when it is told of Keith Urban, they are Canadians. Also, in thoselatter two cases, putative reasons for the banishment are offered: Collins is said to be a supporter of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and so regards Jews with disfavor, and Urban is said to be down on Canadians for their country's not supporting the U.S. in its war in Iraq.
The most common version of the story has John Denver, he of the angelic face and kindly manner, demanding the Jehovah's Witnesses in his audiences depart. No reason is given for his enmity, no explanation offered as to what they might have done to have so incurred his wrath. He orders them away, and (we are left to surmise) they meekly get up and leave.
Given the many thousands of performers who populate the music scene and the variety of temperaments among them, Denver seems ill-suited for the role of "singer who turns on his fans and sends them packing." Then too, so does the second most common target of the rumor, Phil Collins, a performer who exudes an aura of approachability and geniality. Interestingly, both he and Denver are the subject of other widespread false tales, Denver as a sniper who served in Vietnam, and Collins as a singer who used his song "In the Air Tonight" to finger an audience member who had earlier left a man to drown.
This following twist is sometimes added to the story of concertgoers told to leave: [Collected via e-mail, 2005]
I was once told that John Denver (folk singer of songs like Rocky Mountain High and such) was on the Tonight Show one night. He was a huge patriot and apparently had no love whatsoever for JW's. Apparently as the story goes, John gets up to sing a patriotic song and before he begins tells the audience "If there are any Jehovah Witnesses in the audience, you may want to leave right now." And then he sings his song. When he's done and goes to the couch to chat with Johnny, Carson apparently says "I want you to know something. You see that camera guy? He's a JW, and so is that lighting guy and so are a bunch of people on my staff. I hire them because they are honest and hard working. And now, I'd like YOU to leave." (The "TV talk show host as avenger of the wronged" is a stock character who appears in urban legends where a well-regarded hero is called for to put the boots to a celebrity seemingly proud of having done something odious. In other incarnations, Oprah Winfrey puts the run on Tommy Hilfiger after he proclaims he doesn't want African-Americans buying his clothes and chases off Liz Claiborne after the popular designer confides she doesn't design for African-American women because their hips are too big.)
When the dismissed concertgoers legend is told of John Denver, sometimes it includes the additional detail of his ordering all Witnesses to their feet and, while he strums the National Anthem on his guitar, telling them to leave. In that detail is contained a putative explanation for his having sent them packing: patriotism. Jehovah's Witnesses strive to maintain strict neutrality in the world's affairs, neither taking sides nor serving any government. They therefore do not serve in the military, nor do they salute the flag. These twin refusals anger some who believe Jehovah's Witnesses thereby demonstrate a lack of love for their country.
A more benign view of John Denver's possible awareness of that neutrality posits that the legend sprang from a misunderstanding or mischaracterization of an attempt to recognize his Jehovah's Witness fans' potential distaste for some of his musical offerings and provide them an alternative to having to sit through a set they might find objectionable. This theory turns the legend on its head, changing the intolerant performer out to punish members of a group he dislikes into one whose attempt to be sensitive to the religious hot buttons of others: [Collected on the Internet, 2004]
A sister I knew used to get mad when the Denver urban legend came up. She claimed she knew some JWs who were at a JD concert, and JD, who knew that JW's were not supposed to join in patriotic stuff, said, "If there are any JWs in the audience, you might not enjoy this next set, this would be a good time to go to the bathroom or get food or drink." In September 2006, the Internet contributed a new version of this legend in which Keith Urban demanded that all Canadians leave his concert because he was angered by Canada's refusal to help the U.S. win its war in Iraq. The telling widely circulated in e-mail placed the incident "at the Minot Fair," a tidbit of information that provided just enough of a starting point from which to get at the truth.
On 21 July 2006, Keith Urban performed in Minot, North Dakota, to a crowd of 12,069 at the North Dakota State Fair. No mention surfaced in the news arising from that nine-day extravaganza of the singer's having ordered concertgoers (Canadian or otherwise) to vacate the stands. Given that coverage of the fair included such in-depth coverage as Charlene Bangen's pork dish missing first place by two noodles (which the judges determined too dark in color to merit the nod), a big-time country star's giving the boot to some of his paying public would surely have been reported upon had such an event actually occurred. Also of note in putting the rumor to rest is the singer's performance a week earlier in Sarnia, Ontario, where on 13 July 2006 he kicked off that city's Bayfest series of concerts.
According to fair officials, Urban did address Canadians in the crowd during his North Dakota performance, but he merely offered them a friendly greeting: Jessica Bullinger, marketing director for the State Fair, asked several co-workers who were there and was told that Urban gave a special greeting to his Canadian fans. She thinks the twisting around of this greeting may have been how the rumor started.
"He did ask how many Canadians were in the audience, then gave them a special welcome and thanked them for attending the show," Bullinger said. "It's very unfortunate because it was a special welcome that he gave to Canadians."
Wendy Howe, executive director of the Minot Convention and Visitors Bureau, was there for the entire concert and confirms that Urban did in fact give all the Canadians in the audience a special greeting
"He said, 'I hear we have a lot of Canadians in the audience tonight. Can I have all the Canadians here stand up or give a shout,'" Howe said. "When they did (stand), he said something about a special greeting or a special welcome and that "It's great to see you.'" As for the tacked-on rumor that Garth Brooks donated $1 million to keep Canadian cattle out of the U.S., we've yet to locate anything that supports the claim.
Read more at http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/ordered.asp#dbybq3HPeJL6S8qW.99There was also a rumour [strictly JW generated it seemed } that the company which manufactured the cosmetic "Oil of Olay" had a Satanic Directorship - so no dubs bought the product.
