Posts by robhic

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Ancient Biblical Incest leads to Racism

by gumby in

cavallino lot & his lusty daughters

"and they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

thus were both the daughters of lot with child by their father.

robhic

I think there's a difference between passing out and having black outs.
Tell me you or anyone else haven't had blackouts while drunk and done things they don't remember doing and later find out from people telling them what they did that they don't remember doing in the first place and talk about major embarrassment when they do find out.
Yizuman

Well, I can say that in my youth I got very drunk more than a few times. That said, I can say that I never "blacked out" per se, but had a somewhat foggy recollection of events the night before.

My point was more a physiological one, however. It is difficult, if not impossible, to perform when that drunk. And as Gumby says, I think I, too, wouldn't have a problem under any circumstances recognizing my own daughter!

Between recognizing my own child and having a gut full of booze I truly think having sex (with anyone) would be mostly impossible. At least for me.

Robert

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Ancient Biblical Incest leads to Racism

by gumby in

cavallino lot & his lusty daughters

"and they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

thus were both the daughters of lot with child by their father.

robhic

What has always bothered me about the story of Lot and his daughters (besides the outageous incestual content) is that if Lot was so drunk as to be effectively passed out, how did he "do it" with not only one but two people?

Maybe it's just my experience (many years ago at a much earlier age even) but when I had had enough to drink to where I was passed out drunk, I couldn't <ahem> copulate very well (as my wife would have attested). Lot must have really been a man's man to have done the deed not once but twice while passed out drunk and being so old to boot! Am I being overly simplistic here? It just don't happen, IMO.

Robert (of the easily amused/confused class)

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Special Meeting on 4/27/03 ?

by robhic in

a friend told me she wanted to attend a special meeting today, sunday april 27. her health has been bad for the last few months so she hasn't attended anything except the memorial in about 6 months.

why this meeting was referred to as "special" wasn't mentioned.. since the jw like to march in lock-step uniformity, i am assuming this meeting is going to be the same country (world) wide?

is a local meeting being special allowed if all other meetings are not (for the most part)?

robhic

A friend told me she wanted to attend a Special Meeting today, Sunday April 27. Her health has been bad for the last few months so she hasn't attended anything except the Memorial in about 6 months. Why this meeting was referred to as "special" wasn't mentioned.

Since the JW like to march in lock-step uniformity, I am assuming this meeting is going to be the same country (world) wide? Is a local meeting being special allowed if all other meetings are not (for the most part)? I am just curious as to the subject of this meeting.

Any ideas? Could it be a "new light" announcement? Membership in the UN being announced? Any input or ideas would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Robert

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"Special Meeting" 4/27/03 ???

by robhic in

my friend who is a jw happened to mention to me last night that there is a "special meeting" today, sunday 4/27/03.

i know the jw do things in a lock-step, uniform way so i wondered if this is an organization-wide special meeting or could it just be a local one?

is a local meeting that isn't in accordance with country- or world-wide uniformity allowed?

robhic

My friend who is a JW happened to mention to me last night that there is a "special meeting" today, Sunday 4/27/03. I know the JW do things in a lock-step, uniform way so I wondered if this is an organization-wide special meeting or could it just be a local one?

Is a local meeting that isn't in accordance with country- or world-wide uniformity allowed? It just makes me curious because she seems very determined to make this meeting. As her health has been poor for a few months precluding meeting attendance (except for the Memorial) I wonder why this meeting is different.

Anbody know anything about this? Is it maybe a first step to introducing "new light?" Like possibly the welcoming of the UN as something other than the "Scarlet Beast?"

She just seemed a bit more hyped up about this meeting and with all the speculation about coming events regarding the UN it got my curiousity up. Thanks.

Robert

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"Special Meeting" on Sunday 4/27/03. How special?

by robhic in

a friend of mine who is a jw told me last night that there is a special meeting today that she wanted to attend.

since her health in the last few months has prevented meeting attendance (other than the memorial) i wonder why she is so determined to make the meeting today, sunday april 27, 2003. could it just be a local thing?

do the jw do that or is every meeting in lock-step with all the meetings in the country if not the world?

robhic

A friend of mine who is a JW told me last night that there is a special meeting today that she wanted to attend. Since her health in the last few months has prevented meeting attendance (other than the Memorial) I wonder why she is so determined to make the meeting today, Sunday April 27, 2003. Could it just be a local thing? Do the JW do that or is every meeting in lock-step with all the meetings in the country if not the world? I know they like their uniformity.

There seems to have been some speculation I've been reading here regarding "new light" coming soon. Possibly regarding the JW and the UN connection? Something else or is it possibly just a local thing and I am mis-reading the importance entirely?

Thanks for anyone who can shed some "new light" of their own onto this question of mine.

Robert

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Are Birthdays and Christmas celebrations really rooted in Evil????

by bk62 in

during the last two months i've tried and tried to rationalize the jw view that, since these "pagan holidays are not based upon the scriptures, they must not be practices by christians".

i've spent a lot of time thinking about this, and trying to come up with their motivation for these policies.

they can't think that celebrating will actually hurt, yet they obviously can't honestly think the practice goes against the bible.. i thought it might just be another "control" for them to place on the flock - and a way to differentiate themselves from other faiths.

robhic

So when you have somebody in a situation such as mine (with a JH wife) they are forcing me to make a decision instead of letting me walk the fence.

Not completely on topic, here, but I feel compelled to ask if you got married before or after your wife's conversion to JW? I wonder how so many folks seem to have JW spouses yet I have hit a brick wall in regard to this topic with a woman I am in love with who is a JW (since 2000 and has no other family in the organization) regarding the same.

She is an "equally yoked or nothing" type person and I can't figure it. Allowing for personal choice I can see, but not agree with it. As a "policy" matter" this doesn't seem completely without exception. Did you get married to a JW woman? This is perplexing to me...

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Jesus Resurection, Voodoo trick or for real?

by seedy3 in

i just watched a program about voodoo magic, one point they discussed was the zombies.

the voodoo witchdoctors have the ability to give a person a poison that slows down the bodies system funtions so slow that even modern medical equipment can not pick it up, then a little later when no one is looking they go out dig up the "body" and resurect them.

now given this point is it at all possible?

robhic

For an interesting perspective on this topic from a scientific, perpheral direction see the book "The Jesus Conspiracy" by Holger Kersten and Elmar R. Gruber. It investigates (with actual experiments!) Jesus' death and the Shroud of Turin, also.

I read it a few years ago. Very thought-provoking.

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King James Bible and the WTS

by robhic in

i could swear i saw a quote or something saying that years ago (obviously before the nwt) the wts considered the king james version of the bible as the best one available.. i posed this question on another group and so far have had no luck.

it may have very well been on this site somewhere but i have back-tracked as much as i can and still haven't found the post i saw this in.

anybody have any ideas or know where this statement can be found?

robhic

Something I found, which may help your thread with some history from one point of view, not mine but what appeared to be somewhat of look back on from whence some of the newer translations have spawned and how some of the newer kinds of translations differ. About the only thing I use the bible for now is reading Jeremiah 25:27 and occassionally using one of the blank beginning pages in the event I run out of zig-zags..

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2001/013/5.28.html

Sincerely,

District Overbeer

Thanks for the interesting link. It does add some perspective but I am sure that I saw the original statement about the WTS praising the KJV taken from a WTS publication. I just can't remember which one or where, exactly, I saw it.

And thanks to the others who offered their ideas and opinions, too.

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King James Bible and the WTS

by robhic in

i could swear i saw a quote or something saying that years ago (obviously before the nwt) the wts considered the king james version of the bible as the best one available.. i posed this question on another group and so far have had no luck.

it may have very well been on this site somewhere but i have back-tracked as much as i can and still haven't found the post i saw this in.

anybody have any ideas or know where this statement can be found?

robhic

I could swear I saw a quote or something saying that years ago (obviously before the NWT) the WTS considered the King James version of the Bible as the best one available.

I posed this question on another group and so far have had no luck. It may have very well been on this site somewhere but I have back-tracked as much as I can and still haven't found the post I saw this in.

Anybody have any ideas or know where this statement can be found? If it's real, is this true?

Thanks for any help,

Robert

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Did You Ever Believe This?

by RAYZORBLADE in

with all these 'apostates' receiving visits from the jws out in their field ministry, did you, or do you remember anything vaguely reminiscent of this statement i am going to post.

more or less, that because said-jehovah's witnesses are inspired or have jehovah's blessing, that they can avoid harmful situations, or have some sort of divine guidance, thus they should be able to know or sense we are: a p o s t a t e s ?

i seem to recall something like this.

robhic

"I think the point the other posters are trying to make is that they are regarded by the JW's as "apostates," yet many of them have been called upon by JW's in their preaching work."

Just a quick question from a (usual) lurker. Is there some kind of "list" they put you on as a sort of "do not call" basis? I am not a JW but the last time a pair of them stopped by I laughingly told them I didn't have any worries because I was already annointed. I haven't had a knock on my door for a couple of months and was kinda looking forward to another little "discussion" with them using some of the newfound information I have. Nothing ugly, just a thinking contest.