Posts by pronomono

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Where you are in your life now.....What would you have preferred .... To be left in ignorance ? ...Or to know the truth about the truth

by smiddy in

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i think possibly their are a few valid reasons for either options to this question ,depending on a number of factors .. such as how old you might be, how long you have devoted your life to the "truth" as you believed it .

?....how it may affect your mental/physical health and well being.?.

how it will affect your financial position in your life ,?

pronomono

Looking back, I definitely prefer knowing the truth about the truth instead of remaining ignorant.

It was tough getting to this stage in life. I'm a 29 y.o. born-in, baptized at 16, awake for 2 years now. I took the initial awakening hard. I've always been a think-before-you-act and "Primum non nocere"-type person. So it was rough holding in all my new knowledge without being able to take action. I went through stage of anger and suicidal depression. I kept it all to myself, except for the bits and pieces I shared on here. I started loosing sleep, felt sick more often, shit blood, and was generally in a down-and-out mood. I couldn't concentrate at work and had no motivation.

The only dependence I have on JWs is the emotional ties to my friends and family, and in particular one friend who's stuck it out with me till now. I think this will come to an end soon because I think that, although he truly loves me as a friend, he's hoping that providing me with good association, I'll come back. While I'm thinking just the opposite.

Looking back on my journey to this point, I'm surprised how ignorant I was, but I wouldn't change the journey. It was necessary to experience it to begin getting my life back, the life I never had. And I've still got quite a journey to go. I'm now on an upward swing. I've opened up some about what's happening with me to my closest friends and my wife. My wife has stopped attending meetings, although she mentions going sometimes. Neither of us go in service. I'm happier. I don't suffer from as many bouts of depression. My health is much better. Work is better. I can't complain.

I'm sure I'll have another setback once it comes out into the open for everyone that I'm no longer a JW and have no intentions of coming back, but I'll handle that when I get there.

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"It's The Truth!" (A Poetic Retrospective of the Watchtower Society)

by Confession in

"it's the truth!

i think this just might be the truth

lets all just believe its the truth!

pronomono

Great work.

Only dawns on me now that the last couple of verses didn't work too well. Saying they should "Research all the data from alpha to beta" doesn't convey quite the sense of completeness I intended since Alpha means "A" and Beta means "B." Also the "Indoctrinat-ed were our minds" doesn't flow. Stuff like this bugs me. So I had to fix it...
If you keep dismissing, you’re cognitive dissing
Inspect things as if you’re a sleuth
Research all the data alpha to omega
There’s no doubt you’ll find the real truth!
It’s the Truth, it’s the Truth!
It was never the Truth
Captivated and blind were our minds
Not the Truth, not the Truth!
So for you we will root
That a good life you one day will find!
Whew... There.

+1 to this. My first thought was Alpha to Zeta, but Omega has a much better biblical significance.

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Mandrakes, what are they?

by purrpurr in

i decided to do about of research about mandrakes.

remember the ones found by dan and purchased from leah by rachel?.

now i don't remember seeing any indepth explanation of what mandrakes are in the wt.

pronomono

Thanks for the new reading, WMF.

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ELEVEN YEARS on this Discussion Group

by Terry in

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i looked at my statistics this morning:.

terry.

joined 11 years ago.

pronomono

Terry,

You have some of the best posts. I always enjoy sitting down to read your posts like a good book. I may not always comment on them because I don't have much to say. I'm the quiet type. But I always enjoy them and look forward to your next thought-provoking post.

Keep my mind thinking.

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Is it worth making a JW Talk profile?

by Lemonp in

i have looked at the jw talk forums every now and again.

is it any use making a profile to get in?

mainly just to laugh at the pathetic discussion that they carry on with.

pronomono

Well where else could you find some pearls of wisdom like this little gem:
1 DAY TO JEHOVAH IS 1000 YEARS TO US
6 DAYS AGO: Adam and Eve appeared on the scene and sinned...and Jehovah made immediate plans to fix the situation.
39 HOURS AND 45 MINUTES LATER: Jehovah prevented the demons from returning to their original position and the flood took place, cleansing the earth...fresh start for humans.
10 HOURS LATER: The covenant was made with Abraham promising the ransom. The next day, the law covenant outlined the details of the ransom and plans were made for the ransom to be paid.
ONE DAY, ONE HOUR AND 48 MINUTES LATER: The ransom was paid.
TWO HOURS AND 15 MINUTES AGO: Jesus was enthroned and cleansed the heavens and finalized the Kingdom arrangement....
SO, IT WILL ALL BE OVER IN JUST A FEW MINUTES!!
A "few minutes"? That could be another couple hundred years of very soon!

If I was still "in" and giving talks, I would've stolen this. Ha ha. Good stuff!

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Getting ready to visit the San Diego area......Any suggestions?

by drewcoul in

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my son is getting ready to move to hawaii.

we are driving from indianapolis to san diego next week so that they can ship his car from the west coast and save about a thousand dollars versus shipping it from here.

i am only going to be there for a few days, thursday through sunday and would like some suggestions of what to do while i'm there.

pronomono

I've heard that jackin' it is popular in San Diego.

"Jackin' it, jackin' it, jack-ity jack, spankin' it, slappin' it, spank-ity slap!"...

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lol. I watch too much South Park. I've always wanted to visit there, but haven't had a chance. So no real suggestions except watch the South Park episode on Jackin' It before you go to San Diego.

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Deconstructing Splanes 'Generation' explanation

by Splash in

at around 4 minutes into the september 2015 video splane said "for the man and the baby to be part of josephs generation they would have had to have lived at least some time during joseph's lifespan.".

this is the lynchpin of the wt argument, that two lives must overlap to be considered the same generation.. let's take an example of twins who are born just a few minutes apart.

obviously, these twins are the same generation as each other.

pronomono

My COBE reached out to me today saying that he needs to talk to me as soon as we can. I'm assuming because of this, and this was the subject of our last conversation together. I'm sure he thinks he's going to bring me new information to reactivate me. I just watched it for the first time and can say I'm not impressed. The whole time I was thinking there's a big difference between being part of a generation and living during a generation. My grandma who grew up in the 1920s lived during my generation, but she definitely was not a part of it. Her generation had a completely different mindset than we do now. While I loved her dearly and welcomed her in my life, we were two completely separate generations of people.

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Judicial committee letter to elders

by Israel Ricky Gonzales in

warning: this is rather lengthy.

i thought i would post this information that i took with me to my judicial committee.

the elders promised that we would talk about everything that was bothering me, yet, we ended up talking about less than 10% of it.

pronomono

After he went into the kingdom hall, the presiding overseer and the elders of the congregation asked him while he was in the back room and said: “Do you believe in the governing body?” In reply Ricky said to them: “I will also ask you one thing. If you tell me, then I will also tell you if I believe in the governing body: Will only Jehovah's witnesses survive Armageddon? Yes or no?” But they began to reason among themselves, saying: “If we say, ‘Yes,’ he will say to us, ‘What about all the people who never got the chance to hear the good news, and what about the children?’ But if we say, ‘No,’ he will say to us, ‘Why then do you preach? Why do you claim that you are doing a life saving work if they will survive Armageddon anyway?’ ” So they answered Ricky: “We do not know how Jehovah will judge.” He, in turn, said to them: “Neither am I telling you if I believe in the governing body.

Perfect! I'm saving that one. ***Substitutes my name in****

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Anybody have any "REAL" experiences of spirit/demon activity? I'll explain.

by runForever in

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i know there is a lot of people on here that will say it is pure make believe but i am interested if anybody has had any real concrete things happen such as something moving or something appearing in the mirror etc.. anything just post it up here even if it wasn't much.

please give a little context as to the situation..

pronomono

I used to be a believer because I personally knew people who claimed to have had such experiences. But after growing up and dealing with these people a bit more, I now realize that they are mentally unstable. I remember as a kid calling out to Jehovah for anything, and then getting pissed and calling out the Satan and his demons. I've even done it in a graveyard. But nothing. Looking back on that, and the addition of knowledge about TTATT, I stopped believing.

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Serious question about the Australian RC and the WTBTS.

by DATA-DOG in

i have not been in a position to watch all of the interviews, so i'm sure that i missed a few things.

here is my question.

were either elders or ministerial servants accused of sexually abusing children, or were the accused just lowly r&f publishers or bible studies?

pronomono

I found the spreadsheet..... So I'm assuming your numbers are just added up from that. Thanks for the summary Londo!