Welcome. We're glad to have you with us. Like you, I wish I had found this sight years ago. Things would be a lot different if I had. Still I have a lot to be thankful for. My time as a JW wasn't all bad. Even though I technically am still one, I'm struggling to find a way out and am coming to terms with the conditional love of the friends.
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newbie to site looking for fellow DF's and DA's (or anyone else who has good conversation to offer)
by eyefell4it2 ini am new to the site.
i started perusing it this weekend and wish i had found it 10 years ago when i was on my way out.
anyways, long story short, was df'd for you guessed it...fornication or "loose conduct" even though i had been a pioneer with an elder father, grandfather and uncle and no previous issues.
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Jonestown David Koresh at Waco and Heavens gate...any thoughts on death cults!
by Witness 007 inthese three men led there flock to mass suicide.
i listened to the last recording of jim jones and it was chilling.
people cheered and clapped when he told them it was the end...one older black woman protests saying "the children have a right to live" but she is shouted down by the other members saying "if they take our kids they will grow up to be dummies.
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pronomono
If you have Netflix, watch "Jonestown: Paradise Lost". It was a really good docudrama on this, mostly a re-enactment, but had some original audio/video recordings. The sad thing is, his wife was totally against the koolaid, but ones the children were forced to drink the kool-aid, she was so distraught that she drank it herself because she couldn't live with herself anymore. It was amazing to see how far people would let themselves go to believe what they wanted, until I woke up and realized I was almost in the same situation with the JWs and blindly following men, although I never reached a life/death situation. The docudrama was very moving to me.
Also, "I Escaped A Cult" on FLDS and a few others was good too.
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November 8th Special Meeting
by Chris Tann inanyone have any leaks on this three hour meeting we are having early november?.
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pronomono
I haven't heard a thing about this at my hall. I've missed quite a few meetings but our COBE usually calls to let us know whats up. Guess we're finally moving on from being in the "in" crowd. Are they splitting this up across Saturday/Sunday like they did last year? With the first Saturday morning live and the following three a recorded replay?
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NEW LEVY FORCED ON WITNESSES?
by The Searcher inhave i missed a previous posting on this?
sorry if this is old news.. just heard from someone whose meeting is on a tuesday evening; basically, 3 per publisher is to be levied to "replace" the kh insurance payment.
the money will be used for damage, vandalism, & disasters, but also to protect any of the societies' entities.. .
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pronomono
Is this only in the UK, or have there been ramblings of such in the US too?
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Co's visit - fall 2014 - old references to Russell
by berrygerry ini'm presently listening to the co's visit of fall 2014.. he is referencing many references to russell's beliefs of the 1800's and 1903.. sadly, i did not record these comments from his talk.. anyone else have these comments?.
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pronomono
I missed our CO visit tonight. I may make it up somewhere else to save face, and see if we have the same. Remember anything noteworthy that was said?
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Yesterday's a.m. shepherding call
by wheelwithinwheel inpainting an empty apartment knock at the door
ron the elder doing not-at-homes.
comments on: well how you doing dave?
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pronomono
Marked. There really are some great classics here at JWN. I hate I'm over a decade behind the times.
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Let's All Volunteer for the Warwick Project!!!
by pronomono inok, not really.. but the rbc is spamming my email trying to get my volunteer information.
it all seems kind of hokey.
it comes from some unofficial gmail account that i've never seen and telling me to go to a generic form website to enter in my personal information.
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pronomono
This communication could be unique to you.
Unique to your cong.
The elder or MS doing this chore has created that particular gmail - not the branch.
No worries about outing myself. It needs to happen sooner or later. I've already outed myself to my wife and close friends.
Then maybe the emails would stop.
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From A Bublical Point Of View Did You Ever Think The Trinity Doctrine Made Sense?
by minimus ini see no logic in it.
i see what appears to be some scriptural contradictions but i see no merit in a trinitarian view of god.. .
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pronomono
Bibical? No.
But I have rationalized that maybe it could be true, but has just been explained poorly. As in God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one in the same sense that the Governing Body is one body or the three branches of the US government are one government. They do not physically make up one body or one government, but they are one in the sense they are working in a unified effort toward a common goal.
Still another poor explanation (a little farfetched, I know), but I once rationalized this way.
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A quick peek at the most embarrassing facts gleaned from PYRAMIDOLOGY and " Jehovah's Witness"
by Terry inmeasuring the great pyramid of egypt reveals exact prophetic dates.. _______________.
that was the crackpot theory of so-called pyramidologists.. among the men who promoted this silly idea was the founder of the watchtower publishing corporation, pastor c.t.russell.. he did not originate pyramidology, but he copied the work of the astronomer royal of scotland, professor charles piazzi smyth.
as well as another fellow named john taylor (the great pyramid (1859) and built a grand bit of humbug theology.
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pronomono
Great article, Terry. I never knew the Rutherford side of Pyramidology. I have been learned. :)
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Let's All Volunteer for the Warwick Project!!!
by pronomono inok, not really.. but the rbc is spamming my email trying to get my volunteer information.
it all seems kind of hokey.
it comes from some unofficial gmail account that i've never seen and telling me to go to a generic form website to enter in my personal information.
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pronomono
Ok, not really.
But the RBC is spamming my email trying to get my volunteer information. It all seems kind of hokey. It comes from some unofficial gmail account that I've never seen and telling me to go to a generic form website to enter in my personal information. Looks fishy if you ask me. I'd never put my information in it. Who knows where it will go. Here's the email below.
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Dear Volunteer,
We recently sent a Skill Survey to all RBC volunteers titled 'Warwick Skill Survey'. The goal of this survey is to gather information from all RBC volunteers, including those who do not presently have the circumstances to participate in the Warwick project; we are asking all RBC volunteers to complete this survey.
If you have not yet done so, please take the time (about 10 minutes) to complete and submit this survey. The survey can be found by clicking on this link: Warwick Volunteer Survey
If you have already completed the survey, please disregard this message. If you have any questions, please email them to: [email protected]
Thank you for your assistance with completing these surveys!
Your Brothers,
Regional Building Committee
Estimado Voluntario
Recientemente les mandamos una encuesta de habilidades a todos los voluntarios del comité regional de construcción. El objetivo de esta encuesta es recopilar información de todos los voluntarios del comité regional de construcción, incluso de aquellos cuyas circunstancias en el presente no les permite participar en la obra de construcción en Warwick. Estamos solicitando que todos los voluntarios del comité regional de construcción participen de esta encuesta.
Si aun no lo ha hecho, por favor hágalo lo mas ponto posible, solo toma unos 10 minutos. La encuesta se encuentra haciendo clic en el siguiente enlace: Encuesta Voluntarios Warwick Si al recibir este mensaje usted ya ha completado esta encuesta, descarte este mensaje. Si tiene alguna pregunta, por favor comuníquese con el siguiente correo electrónico: [email protected]
Gracias por atender este asunto
Sus hermanos,
Regional Building Committee--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And the attached PDF:
Date: October 2014
Re: Warwick Volunteer Survey To: All RBC Volunteers
Dear Volunteer,We are excited to report that excellent progress is being made at the World Headquarters Construction Project in Warwick NY! RBC volunteers are working hard to support this project. To better understand what trade skills exist among all RBC volunteers, we ask that you complete and submit the following survey:
The survey takes about 10 minutes to complete, and can be reached by clicking on this link:
Warwick Volunteer Survey
Questions you may have:
Who is requesting this survey?
• This survey has been prepared at the direction of the Construction Project Committee overseeing the Warwick Project, and is being provided to you with the assistance of your RBC and Construction Group. What is the purpose of the survey?
• Many RBC volunteers have experience and skills in a variety of trades, and this is the information we would like to gather. Planning for current and future theocratic construction projects will be more effective when the full capabilities of RBC volunteers are clearly understood. For example, this information will be very helpful in identifying volunteers for the Construction Group. It will also be of use to the Construction Project Committee as they consider other staffing needs of the project. However, filling out this survey does not automatically commit anyone to an assignment at Warwick.
Who should fill out and submit the survey?
• All active RBC volunteers, regardless of whether you presently have the circumstances to assist with the Warwick project. This includes those who have already been interviewed by the Construction Group or other Warwick representatives. Even if you have already worked on the Warwick project, we would appreciate your submitting the survey.
What if I do not have any of the skills listed?
• Many RBC volunteers who do not have the trades skills listed in this survey support RBC projects in necessary and meaningful ways. Please feel free to briefly describe the skills you possess in the box found just before the 'Secular Background' section of the survey.
Will this change any of my current RBC assignments?
• No. The goal of this survey is gather information. No changes in your current RBC assignment(s) will come as a result of your participation in this survey.
Can you confirm that you received my survey?
Attachment #6 – Text of initial instructions/FAQ – to be reattached to follow-up email.
• You will not receive an email confirming that your survey has been submitted successfully. Once you complete the survey and click the 'Submit Form' button at the bottom of the form, the button will change briefly to 'Submitting' and then the screen will change to display a message that your information has been received.
Can I change the information I entered, or add more after submitting the form?
• As long as your RBC Volunteer Number is always entered on the survey, you can change or add information after
submitting. Please note that your previous responses will not be displayed; the link provided will take you to a blank form each time.
The link for the survey does not work for me, what should I do?
• Please try this link instead: https://www.formstack.com/forms/watchtower-warwick_skills_survey_cg07 Have questions or need assistance?
• Please feel free to submit any questions you may have via Email to: [email protected] Estimado hermano
¡Nos emociona reportarle del excelente progreso que se está realizando en el proyecto de Las Oficinas Centrales en Warwick, NY! Los voluntarios del RBC están trabajando duro en este proyecto. Para tener una mejor idea de cuáles son las habilidades existentes entre los voluntarios del RBC, le estamos solicitando que por favor,
tome unos 10 minutos para completar la información solicitada en la encuesta que se encuentra en el acceso electrónico debajo de estas líneas.
Haga click en este acceso:
Encuesta Voluntarios Warwick
Preguntas que tal vez se esté haciendo: ¿Quién está solicitando esta encuesta?
• Esta encuesta ha sido preparada bajo la dirección del Comité de Construcción de Proyectos quien supervisa el proyecto de Warwick, y se le ha hecho llegar gracias a su RBC o Grupo de Construcción.
¿Cuál es el propósito de esta encuesta?
• Muchos voluntarios del RBC tienen experiencia y habilidades en una gran variedad de oficios y, esta es la información que necesitamos obtener. El poder obtener esta información nos ayudará a tener un major entendimiento de la capacidad de los voluntarios, lo que nos permitirá hacer una buena planeación de los proyectos teocráticos, presentes y futuros. Por ejemplo, esta información nos ayudará a identificar voluntarios para los Grupos de Construcción. De igual manera, nos ayudará a nosotros, como Comité de Construcción de Proyectos, cuando tengamos la necesidad de solicitar voluntarios para este proyecto.
Sin embargo, queremos aclarar que, el llenar esta encuesta no lo compromete automáticamente a tener una asignación en el proyecto de Warwick, ¿Quién debería llenar y someter esta encuesta?
• Todos los voluntarios activos del RBC que, sin importar si sus circunstancias presentes, puedan o no puedan ayudar en el proyecto de Warwick. Esto incluye a aquellos que ya han sido entrevistados por el Grupo de Construcción o por otro representante de Warwick. Si usted ya ha participado en el proyecto de Warwick, también apreciaríamos que llenara y sometiera esta encuesta.
¿Y si no tengo ninguna experiencia en las habilidades de la lista?
• Muchos voluntarios del RBC que no tienen las habilidades que se mencionan en la lista, ayudan en los proyectos del RBC de muchas otras valiosas maneras. Por favor, siéntase libre de escribir brevemente las habilidades que usted posee en la caja de la sección “Secular Background” que se encuentra en esta encuesta.
¿Cambiará alguna de mis asignaciones actuales con el RBC?
• No. El objetivo de esta encuesta es obtener la información que se está solicitando. Ningún cambio se realizará en su actual asignación con el RBC debido a la información que usted proporcione.
¿Habrá alguna confirmación que mi encuesta fue recibida?
• Usted no recibirá un acuse de recibo confirmando que su encuesta fue recibida. En cuanto llene la encuesta y haga clic en el botón “Submit Form” en el pie de la página, el botón cambiara brevemente a “Submitting” luego la imagen reflejara un mensaje confirmando que se ha recibido la información.
¿Se podrá cambiar la información o añadir información después que haya sido sometida?
• Siempre que usted siga poniendo su número de voluntario del Comité Regional de Construcción en la encuesta usted podrá añadir y cambiar la información. Sin embargo tome nota que sus respuestas anteriores no estarán disponibles, iempre se abrirá una página en blanco para reintroducir la información.
El enlace para la encuesta no funciono, ¿qué debo hacer?
• En vez del enlace anterior , por favor use este enlace: https://www.formstack.com/forms/watchtower-warwick_skills_survey_cg07 ¿Tiene preguntas o necesita asistencia?
• Siéntase libre de someter sus preguntas mediante correo electrónico a: [email protected]