Posts by scotsman

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You can effect a Tipping Point.....

by sweet pea in

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please prove to me i'm not posting in the graveyard shift....... besty and i were talking about password protected and family's exit this last few weeks.

we are full of admiration for the way that they have left with dignity and obviously made many think.

they have not faded, they had a good repuation until the very last moment - mark was an elder - but they stopped and made the decision to be up front and face the elders in a meeting.

scotsman

I have to agree with this

I advocate just letting go. If the org implodes it will be by it's own design and stupidity. I'm all for helping people out and I do at every opportunity. Fighting against the organization though I believe is futile and a waste of our time and energy.

I saw lots of people join and leave the JWs in my 30 years as a JW for all sorts of reasons, and am sure that will continue as the doctrines morph. The congregation I left 7 years ago is now radically different, filled with immigrant JWs and bible studies and home to 4 foreign language groups. Sometimes I feel that this here tinternet gives the illusion that there's a battle and exJWs are part of an organised army... the reality is we're as organised as the the group of apostates that stood at the District Convention gates. Creating ripples as we leave may satisfy our egos but it's not for everyone.

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DA on Sunday, Announced on Tuesday

by passwordprotected in

as you may be aware, my wife and i dad ourselves on sunday afternoon.

it was announced to our old congregation last night (tuesday).

it will apparently be announced to their sister congregation tomorrow (thursday).. .

scotsman

If you DA why would the Branch need to rubber stamp it?

28

God v Satan

by sweet pea in

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the record of murder in the bible..... god: 33 million.

satan: 10. and satan's the bad guy?????.

scotsman

Ooh SP, someone's changing their tune from our telephone chat a few months ago. Next you'll be denying either of them exist! Heaven forbid!

73

As of tomorrow I will no longer be a JW

by passwordprotected in

after my last post where i asked for advice on how to handle whether i should tell an elder that we've been going to church, i decided to tell a local elder who's related to me through marriage.

this was to save my dad having to 'report' me (i'd told my dad we go to church).

anyway, i had an interesting chat with him and he said some very personally revealing things re.

scotsman

It's a religion not a bank. If it made some changes would you re-affiliate?

appeasing ~~'friends and family'~~

isn't that part of the human condition?

73

As of tomorrow I will no longer be a JW

by passwordprotected in

after my last post where i asked for advice on how to handle whether i should tell an elder that we've been going to church, i decided to tell a local elder who's related to me through marriage.

this was to save my dad having to 'report' me (i'd told my dad we go to church).

anyway, i had an interesting chat with him and he said some very personally revealing things re.

scotsman

It's great that you and Gail feel so empowered by what's happened, long may it continue.

It's also fascinating reading the responses and the whole fade versus DA/DF conundrum. There isn't one really, it's what fits best for you. I'm not DA or DF but nor can I say I faded. Resigned as an elder one week and halted meetings a fortnight later and I'm sure I'm not the only one. My departure apparently damaged the congregation too, much tears etc and predictably some I was friends with left later. Life post JW is also a personal thing, no matter what your departure. I've come across DA and DF and faded individuals who are still defined by the JW experience, and those that aren't at all. Horses for courses.

Isn't a battle with the WT a little like the war on terror or raging against Western hegemony?

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As of tomorrow I will no longer be a JW

by passwordprotected in

after my last post where i asked for advice on how to handle whether i should tell an elder that we've been going to church, i decided to tell a local elder who's related to me through marriage.

this was to save my dad having to 'report' me (i'd told my dad we go to church).

anyway, i had an interesting chat with him and he said some very personally revealing things re.

scotsman

Hope it leaves you and Gail feeling good Mark.

127

I am scared for my life. Problems with punks.

by SnakesInTheTower in

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so i have been having problems with the renters that moved in next door.

the last 3 months have been a living hell.

i have an ongoing complaint with the slumlord that owns the property and the city is taking him to court for derelict vehicles next week (which i anonymously complained about, but i am sure i am being blamed for).

scotsman

grim indeed.

127

I am scared for my life. Problems with punks.

by SnakesInTheTower in

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so i have been having problems with the renters that moved in next door.

the last 3 months have been a living hell.

i have an ongoing complaint with the slumlord that owns the property and the city is taking him to court for derelict vehicles next week (which i anonymously complained about, but i am sure i am being blamed for).

scotsman

If you cannot do this right now because it is too difficult, or if you will not do this because you are a man and will stand your ground, then arm yourself. Get a gun and learn to shoot it. You can get a good used 38SPL revolver for under $250.00. You don't need anything fancy. Learn to shoot it, trust it, love it. Have good quality hollowpoint bullets in it.
No one should be physically intimidated or violated--even those that are not physically strong--and the gun is the great equalizer. You don't need advanced martial arts skills to use a gun, and only basic aiming skills to use it to devastating effect at short ranges. It puts even a woman on equal footing with a man. If this man comes across onto your property to harm you again, shoot him. Possibly the mere sight of the weapon will make him fall back.

Am I the only lily livered wimp that feels ill reading this advice?

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Pro's and Con's of DAing myself.

by lancelink in

i have been wrestling with the idea of da'ing myself for close to a year now.

but there is a small area in my subconscious that whispers "this is not a good idea.

i haven't been to a meeting in over six months, no service in seven years.

scotsman

The elders in my congregation "respected" people who DAed themselves and thought that those that faded were weak. So if the opinion of JWs matters to you, go ahead. They're opinion didn't matter to me, I respected myself.

44

Personal Update

by passwordprotected in

for those who haven't read 'my story' thus far, here are the links;.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/9/159554/1.ashx.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/9/159683/1.ashx.

scotsman

Do we want any of this hanging over us, or is a clean break the solution?

It's all about how you percieve it. Ignore it I'd say, and keep away from the people that feed you all the JW nonsense about witch hunts/dirt digging etc. it's now got nowt to do with you. Or rather it has much to do with you as you want. Might mean being coolish with your parents but the alternative is probably no contact at all.

I'm not suggesting that the Alpha concept is a cult, just that you're not hasty. I've had 2 friends (nonJW) join then leave because of pressure to conform, but that was a couple of years ago and the group you attend might be quite different.

"normal human behaviour" includes JW behaviour in my experience. "normal" runs the gamut of human behaviour.