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  "High-Control Groups"

  by Consfearacy in

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  http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/similar-religions-to-jehovahs-witnesses.php .

  "it is important to understand that in most bible-based cults, although the member is aggressively taught doctrine, it is not the doctrine that holds him in the group.

  it is the sense that the group is god's true people, a feeling cultivated by techniques of mind control.

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  ESTEE

  Of course JWs "speak in agreement" since they are told what to say brainwashed.

  They even "rehearse" what to say in their weekly weakly ministry school and service meeting. ba-a-a-a-a

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  Who knows how many posters on here from west coast B.C. Any meet-ups?

  by clarity in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  are west coast canadians a bit shy or what!

  seems like usa has meet-ups and groups all over.

  sounds like a lot of fun!

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  ESTEE

  I'm a west-coaster, too! Vancouver

  About five years ago there were a few meet-ups. I attended one where there were about 15 of us. But we have not kept in touch with each other. Busy-ness of life, I suppose.

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  Should a DF'd person lie to get reinstated?

  by DT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  suppose someone is wrongfully disfellowshipped and is unable to appeal successfully.

  suppose he still believes in the watchtower society and tries to get reinstated as soon as possible.

  imagine that the elders want to make sure that he is repentant by insisting that he shows remorse for what he is accused of doing.

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  ESTEE

  Excuse me, but why would a disfellowshipped person want to get back "in"...?

  I suggest that a person might rather talk to their family doctor and get some therapy to adjust to living in the real world.

  Love,

  ESTEE
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  Something I Never Understood About Disfellowshipped Ones

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i never understood why df'd ones would treat other df'd ones like crap.

  (after all, they could talk to each other).

  but many would "treat" other disfellowshipped just like the witnesses would.

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  ESTEE

  A disfellowshipped one who shuns another disfellowshipped one is typical behaviour for members of an organization of fear, judgment and high control.

  I know what this is like, as I was one who experienced being shunned by another disfellowshipped sister. The disfellowshipped sister was trying --- and trying --- for years to get back into the good graces of the elders. She could not possibly afford taking the chance of someone --- anyone --- in the organization seeing her with me. The incident happened in a mall. She knew that the congregation was full of "squealers" who were just waiting to gain points by telling some piece of gossip to an elder. If someone saw us and squealed, it would ruin her chance of getting back "in" --- poor woman.

  I hated the feeling of constantly being watched. I was glad to leave that city and get a real life.

  Love,

  ESTEE
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  Does Islam disfellowship? What happens when a Muslim wants to leave?

  by journey-on in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the internet is full of confliction on the subject.

  anyone have firsthand knowledge?.

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  As with any religion, there are "fundamentalist extremists." In a book about muslim life, called Infidel by Aayan Hirsi Ali, the author's life was in danger because the fundamentalists considered her an "infidel" or "apostate" for leaving the muslim religion. Because she worked for the government after fleeing her homeland, she had security guards all over her and she finally had to leave the country, when her associate who helped her produce a documentary was murdered for speaking out against extreme religious practices. She was smuggled to the US, where she wrote another book, which I have on my list of "must reads" called Nomad. Anyone read it?

  As a child of five, she was excised (female circumcision). She writes about what she remembers of the experience --- Shocking! People need to be educated about the extremism that religion so clearly enables. We certainly do not need sharia law in our country. Yet, she indicates that even in so-called free countries, excision is still practiced --- on kitchen tables in some extreme muslim households. It seems these ones leave their homeland, but bring all their practices and beliefs with them to their new land.

  So, to answer your question, "does Islam disfellowship?" ... Extreme Islamists commit murder in the name of Mohammad. They call it "honor killing."

  Love,

  ESTEE
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  Edmonton is covered in smoke

  by tec in

  1. social
  2. current

  don't know if this is the right spot for this or not; its not political or anything.

  but we are covered in smoke, here in edmonton.

  the smoke from all the bc fires has drifted over to alberta.

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  ESTEE

  (((Sheesh, sorry to hear, Tammy.)))

  It's all my fault... I live in BC.

  We have been having a heat wave for the past two months. People are not supposed to smoke on the walking trails, there are signs posted all over. No open fires, etc.

  Maybe the rain will start soon.

  I send positive vibes your way.

  hugs

  ESTEE
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  To DF'd people: have you gotten your yearly visit? Ever?

  by daringhart13 in

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  i'm really curious how many of those df'd have ever received a yearly visit........ .

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  They'd have to find me first!

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  "Spiritually Strong" JWs Are Actually Spiritually Weak

  by new light in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the more a person does in jw busy work, the weaker spirit they must actually have.

  many times, they are simply overcompensating or trying to fill.

  a void in themselves.

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  They are "strong" only as long as their bubble does not burst.

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  Should Immigrants Be Made To Learn English If They're Living In The USA?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
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  whaddya think?

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  ESTEE

  I used to think that many people come to Vancouver without intending to learn English. Often they don't have to learn the language, if they were sponsored by family members who speak something foreign to Canadians. There are pockets of foreigners (within foreign communities here) who stick together and never learn the language. Business signs are all in Chinese or Korean --- no bilingualism here. French signs? Forget it.

  We have a house full of immigrants next door. The house is broken up into five suites in our residential neighbourhood... illegal suites of about 400 sq ft. These people know very little about recycling, collecting and storing garbage for garbage pick-up, etc. Mr ESTEE was explaining to them and showing them what to do with the city-provided containers: one for garbage, one for yard waste, one for newspapers, one for recycling containers, etc... They are learning---and they seem to want to learn how to fit in. They are being educated to learn English, and they are clearly happy to learn the English language. Mr ESTEE is very patient, talks slow, so they can comprehend in their limited English.

  Interestingly, I was on the bus the other day, when I was approached by a Taiwanese couple who wanted to know a word in English. "What is this word and what does it mean?" they asked me, pointing on a piece of paper. I explained it to them --- it was the word "esthetic" --- and I learned that they were enrolled in a community program to not only learn English, but also they were encouraged to dialogue about an even better world with other foreigners in a classroom setting. You know how they come here thinking this is paradise...? Well, they are encouraged to stretch their minds way beyond the world they came from and even beyond the world they now know as Vancouver.

  This was encouraging to me, as I wondered this very same thing that you asked: Should immigrants be made to learn English? I say, encouraged, yes. And I know there are programs they can get involved with to help them with this. It must be challenging, moving to a foreign country and not even know the language. I know, this is Canada, not the US, but here is my 2 cents anyway.

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  Im finally leaving my jw husband.

  by littlebird in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  some of you know i have struggled with this for awhile.

  i really do believe in marriage and the committment, however, sometimes enough is enough.. his endless preaching at me and calling me and my (adult) children satan has me realizing that this situation is not going to get better.

  the other day he kicked my son out of the house for wearing a cap, in his car, with a skull on it.

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  ESTEE

  (((littlebird)))

  Your husband is abusing in the name of god. Talk to your family doctor and get some counselling. They will advise you how to leave in a safe way.

  Be safe, dear one, before you fly.

  Love,

  ESTEE