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'Trusted' Jehovahs Witness raped and sexually abused girls
by cliff in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
'trusted' jehovahs witness raped and sexually abused girls.

court: barry furlong arrives at bournemouth crown court.

first published tuesday 9 december 2014 in news by jane reader.
joe134cd

BTW some of the other replies I have got when I have tried to mention this to are.

2 people who are publishers. "Probably media hype". And one of those 2 people went on to tell me that I had presented him with "hurt full information."

1 person a bethelite. She now just Dosnt respond to me any more.

The only person who said "I feel really sorry for those victims and I hope they get the help they need" was from this random guy I meet on the net who had studied with the witnesses on and off over the years and was an apologist.

It seems to be the higher up the ladder they get the less likely they are to except that this is a very real problem the organisation is facing.
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'Trusted' Jehovahs Witness raped and sexually abused girls
by cliff in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
'trusted' jehovahs witness raped and sexually abused girls.

court: barry furlong arrives at bournemouth crown court.

first published tuesday 9 december 2014 in news by jane reader.
joe134cd

Eden one - I certainly can understand where you are coming from with your MIL statements. The reply I got when trying to tell a family member about the Conti case was, "she wasn't interested in apostate literature".When I explained I wasn't aware the New York times was apostate. I was then told "well don't read overseas news papers because this is going to confuse you".

(e.g 2)When I also tried to bring up the resent Gonzalo Campos case with a friend who lives in the San Diego area and was totally oblivious to it. The reply I got was "he had better and more important things to worry about".

Both examples just flawed me really. I guess that just about sums up everything.
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"The Friends"
by FeelingFree in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i have only come across this term very recently on jwn and in an "apostate" video i watched yesterday.

never have i heard anyone refer to jw's as "the friends" here in the uk.

is it just used in america?.
joe134cd

Yeah not used a lot here and I live out side the Americas and Europe. Mainly brother and sister. I had noticed it was a term commonly used by American witnesses.
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Active JW's and JW Lurkers- Especially JW Defenders and Believers: A Few Questions For You
by OnTheWayOut in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
while there are not too many currently defending the watchtower in this discussion forum, it happens from time to time.

and quite often, there may be new people and lurkers reading these discussions.

i just wanted you to ponder these questions.
joe134cd

Are they spirit directed I would probably have to say "No", going by all the failed hopes and promises, and terrible effect they have had on people's lives.
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Active JW's and JW Lurkers- Especially JW Defenders and Believers: A Few Questions For You
by OnTheWayOut in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
while there are not too many currently defending the watchtower in this discussion forum, it happens from time to time.

and quite often, there may be new people and lurkers reading these discussions.

i just wanted you to ponder these questions.
joe134cd

Sorry carrying on from my previous post. Using the example of King David. Yes he was imperfect and yes he made some pretty big mistakes. But the thing with the bible is the didn't try to hide it from the Israelite nation. I think Wt need to be a bit more honest and up front about its history and polices and procedures. Using myself as an example again. I learnt more about the watchtower and how it functions in 18 months than I ever did going to the Hall in just under 4 decades. Even now it stuns me how just how completely in the dark I was. I also think that a member if he chooses to disagree with them. He should feel free to voice his opinion with out fear of reprisals.
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Active JW's and JW Lurkers- Especially JW Defenders and Believers: A Few Questions For You
by OnTheWayOut in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
while there are not too many currently defending the watchtower in this discussion forum, it happens from time to time.

and quite often, there may be new people and lurkers reading these discussions.

i just wanted you to ponder these questions.
joe134cd

There are 2 replies to question 1. I can understand why they would insist that followers not go on the internet. Using myself as an example i would probably still be sitting inside the walls of the watchtower if it wasn't for the internet. So it can be quite a dangerous and formidable place to be when an apologist comes across a site critical to the Wt.

But on saying that if it is the truth and they are in fact imperfect individuals who make mistakes e.g king David.
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ALERT: NEW LAWSUIT settlement - $13 MILLION
by Watchtower-Free in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/135m-awarded-to-bible-teacher-gonzalo-campos-alleged-abuse-victim-jose-lopez-281031832.html.

(published thursday, oct 30, 2014).

thursday, oct 30, 2014 updated at 11:58 pm pdt.
joe134cd

I believe eventually they will be forced to hand over those files and some one at a senior level will have to take the witness box. If they lose on appeal they will just get steamed rolled if they don't.
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ALERT: NEW LAWSUIT settlement - $13 MILLION
by Watchtower-Free in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/135m-awarded-to-bible-teacher-gonzalo-campos-alleged-abuse-victim-jose-lopez-281031832.html.

(published thursday, oct 30, 2014).

thursday, oct 30, 2014 updated at 11:58 pm pdt.
joe134cd

Chaserious= very interesting point that all of us over looked. I suggest that you make this a different topic as it deserves it's own thread.
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what would happen If?
by sowhatnow in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i submitted a letter to the local k hall, explaining that i no longer believe my baptism as a jw is valid, based on my current bible knowlege.

and i wish to be no longer considered a baptised [in this organization], jw, but simply a christain who studies the bible.. and then would continue to attend meetings?.

they couldnt prevent me, its open to the public.. .
joe134cd

Just say nothing and fade.
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8 Year Old Getting Baptized!
by Atlantis in
1. watchtower
2. bible
eight year old getting baptized!

(from a jw site.

this 8 year old sister was the youngest of the 31 who were baptized at a regional convention in bogo city, cebu, philippines on the weekend.
joe134cd

I'm going to give you of a case I know of. Young teenage girl. Real scatter brain, and got baptized at 16. Couple weeks later saw her in town dressed all goth like hand in hand with this none JDub guy. I just thought to myself "you silly silly girl", and get this her mother done exactly the same thing when she was a teenager as well. To my knowledge this young girl hasn't been disfellowshiped yet, but to be honest it wouldn't surprise me if she did. I think the mother and the elders need a massive drop kick for allowing this emotionally / hormonal vulnerable girl to do something that she clearly wasn't ready for.