What happened is that we really wanted it to be true. We really wanted a better life, we really wanted to not die. We never thought it would happen to us, it was always happening to someone else. The fact is that the dream, although a good one, was created by a group of men trying to figure out their own pain. Instead of taking the opportunity to live now, we lived in the future. And now, some of us don't have that much time anymore. It feels like we were robbed, and we were. We trusted them because what they said is what we wanted to believe, heck all people look to others hoping to find an answer. We trusted the wrong people, that's all. But we can make the best of what we have now.
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The believable and unbelievable
by James Mixon inhave you ever been told something that was so unbelievable, like angels having sex with humans, demons attacking someone, floods, talking animals, cutting someone ear off and reattaching it within minutes without the aid of a surgeon.
we accepted it without a second thought.. the other day watching home &garden house hunters (folks buying homes in other states and other countries).. today after leaving the borg i don't trust anyone or what they say.. a family buying a place in alaska and they announced, alaska has about 3,197 officially named natural lakes out of 3 million unnamed natural lakes.. i told the wife bs, how can that many lakes be in one state.
it was hard for me to believe that minnesota have 10000 lakes.. it really feel good to check out a source, to investigate for yourself.. i know this is a small thing, the numbers of lakes in alaska.. years ago when i was in the borg, and they told me alaska have a billion lakes, i wouldn't have question it.. what happened!!!!
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NAILING DOWN the fraud of John 1:1 by demonstration
by TerryWalstrom incall me crazy, but i love to watch seminary classes when sharp teachers are in charge of the instruction.. in the following video, the teacher really nails jehovah's witnesses on john 1:1 with utter simplicity.. begin at 1 hour and 20 minutes in.. i've never seen or heard of this before.. .
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_5qkj7tmbg.
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Wow, allI can say is that if the real truth was to be known, it should of been in black and white. Why all the cryptics, guesses and puzzles. I am a man, simple. She is a women, simple. Red light on the street means stop, simple. You look at adultery, murder, stealing...... and so forth, no mystery, spells it right out, simple! -
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RELIGION AND MENTAL ILLNESS!!!
by ADJUSTMENTS ini have have come to realize most "rank and file" jw's are mentally unstable-to-ill and here is why.... http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/mental-issues.php.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/religious_delusion.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/religion_and_schizophrenia.
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Kingdom Consolidation and Sales are coming – Reliable Source
by thedepressedsoul ini heard form a reliable source that a kingdom hall consolidation is going to be happening in the us.
currently they are looking at every kingdom hall to see if they could and should sell it.
any kingdom hall that has not been updated and is in a bad location (long driveway, not in a visible location etc...) will be sold.
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NEW LIGHT FROM SLO CIRCUIT OVERSEER "Warning, Blood on Doorposts", "The Couple who Missed One Meeting Died With Their Kids, Don't Miss Any!
by Trailer Park Pioneer insorry, i messed up before i could put the right title on this new light from our circuit overseer, his visit show's a great desperation in the organization's mindset, adding more anxiety and guilt to jws who already feel they don't measure up!.
hi, i attended the circuit overseers visit and got really angry because our c.o.
gave information coming from the governing body's chief apologists regarding "meeting attendance" and "the couple who missed one meeting and lost their entire family because they did not get the "411" when armageddon was coming!
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Funny, I gues that maybe he forgot Hebrews 6:10 "For God is not unrighteous so as to forget your work and the love you showed for his name+ by ministering and continuing to minister to the holy ones.". Maybe that scripture will be taken out of the next revision on the NWT on the 200th anniversary of the kingdom in 2114! -
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Counsellor needed please!
by stuckinarut2 inhi all.. i have noticed that many of our forum members have sought professional help from counsellors who deal with ones like us who have broken free from high control groups or "cults".. my self esteem has been rocked by recent events in the cong, and while i know ttatt it still has taken my joy in life away quite a bit.. as you all know, mentally i broke free from the org several years ago, but now that i am trying to start making the physical break, i feel really unsettled and nervous.. i wonder if a good counsellor could assist in helping me clarify and sort my feelings and emotions , and provide help to take practical steps to cut all ties with the org?.
if anyone can provide ideas of good counsellors, it would be appreciated.. thanks everyone!.
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stuckinarut2 I highly recommend a counselor or as I call mine, a therapist. You have a lot in your head and it is very hard to put all things together and self analyze. They are trained to listen and to get to know you. At first it may seem like you're getting nowhere, but the reality is the therapist is piecing together your personality. Once they get your thoughts down then starts the good part, the work towards rebuilding your life. One bit of caution though, just as people who take medication and feel good after a few days and stop taking it, the same can happen with therapy. When you think you don't need it, that's when you need it the most!
It's hard, because we have years of fear put into us. No elder is trained to analyze, just read a scripture and tell us do it! No, get the professional help necessary. And if the one therapist doesn't seem right, then don't be afraid and tell him it's not working and find another one. You do need it. Some are resilient and can take things with a grain of salt and others have a harder time. I'm one of those that have a harder time. Don't give up, it will get better. I was told that a while back and even though I still have some troubles and anxiety, it does help. And try and surround yourself with those that are positive and that truly have your best interest at heart. My coworkers and boss have been more helpful than anyone in the congregation.
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I Find This "Humerus" ( ad1914.com )
by Gilgamesh incopied from http://ad1914.com/2015/01/10/i-find-this-humerus/ .
i am including this post to the site because it reveals something about just how crazy we have been at coming up with strange doctrines.
some would just chalk it up to the insanity of fred franz.. by 1951, the watchtower started doing some math: 33+37=70 so 1914+37=1951.
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Trying to figure things out!
by RecoveringISFJ inwell, i made comments on a couple of post already, but i guess i should somehow introduce myself.
i choose the user name to hopefully try and identify my past while working for future changes in myself.
ive been in and out since i was a kid.
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Crazyguy, wow almost identical to what's happening to me! One time at the hall an elder told me "when you're not here we worry". Yeah, sure then why no call or visit. No one called just to see how I was or if I need anything, just the same old "you need to be here"! Oh wait, I did get a call. A few people needed computer help! Can you believe that! I have to say I've been lurking on this board for awhile now and now I realized the need to make a choice and not go. My therapist told me that for the first time I'm starting to question everything since my world has been rocked. I have been more vocal about things. I for one started seeing the evidence that something was wrong. I had to make the change so my children will have a future.
i do recall a surprise visit, out of the blue, but yes it was not to encourage but to say I'm keeping myself from getting blessed, not how am I doing. Way too many guilt trips and they think this is love? Thank you all for your kind posts. I'm starting to see a lot more new people posting. I guess a lot of us are starting to see the real light now. It got brighter for me!
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Trying to figure things out!
by RecoveringISFJ inwell, i made comments on a couple of post already, but i guess i should somehow introduce myself.
i choose the user name to hopefully try and identify my past while working for future changes in myself.
ive been in and out since i was a kid.
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Thank you all for your encouragement! I always start to feel better when I am not at the meetings or doing anything with them. It's when i allow myself to be guilted (don't know if that's an actual word, oh well) into going to one, then the anxiety starts. I tried hinting to my soon to be ex-wife about things, but little did I realize she was already making her plans with someone else, again! I would like to tell me family, especially my mom, but she would be crushed about not seeing my dad again, so I let it be.
The therapist is definitely helping a lot! He says I am at the point where I am now "not taking it anymore" like my Dad use to tell me. Scariest thing is being older and starting over. He suggests I go back to school and I think I might just do that. If I would have kept up with it years ago... oh well. Just learning not to look back and just to look forward.
My children are seeing things and don't want to be involved either, especially when some of the kids in the hall have been rough with them about being bad association because of what their mom did. Me and my kids are moving on together and rebuilding our lives. Now I am making sure they get to college and have a future and friends and retirement and a good paying job, things I missed out on.
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Trying to figure things out!
by RecoveringISFJ inwell, i made comments on a couple of post already, but i guess i should somehow introduce myself.
i choose the user name to hopefully try and identify my past while working for future changes in myself.
ive been in and out since i was a kid.
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Well, I made comments on a couple of post already, but I guess I should somehow introduce myself. I choose the user name to hopefully try and identify my past while working for future changes in myself. I’ve been in and out since I was a kid. I was baptized when I got older because the fear of dying at Armageddon got to me.
Well, my life is in turmoil right now. Marriage is failing; wife is out of the truth, but not disfellowshipped and I’m just waiting for the divorce to be final. Right now I still do have some fear of being outed by any lurkers in my hall that may read these comments. I would be easily identified by my story. Yes I’m paranoid, but at this time I can only deal with a few things right now. Missed a lot of meetings and service (yes a lot of not at homes, so I know householders don’t miss me), and I get the occasional call saying where are you and so forth.
I’ve read COC and it has opened my eyes. I don’t want to be in anymore. Really abandoned by everyone and nobody has a clue to the pain I’m dealing with. I guess I knew all along it was false, but what really pushed me over the edge was the visiting speakers giving a talk at the convention about the “apparently Jesus meant overlapping generations” talk. Wow, I don’t know how he can say that with a straight face. I’m still trying to find a translation that says “overlapping” (just joking).
It’s funny; I have family in, but no friends at all, at least ones that can be considered real friends. You know, we really don’t want to know anyone’s business, right? I’m told to pray, personal study, meeting attendance and service. Once I do these everything will be fine. Wrong, did those things and marriage still failed. Kind of a good thing though as my soon to be ex-wife hasn’t been faithful (infidelity) for a good part of the marriage. I held on mostly because of scared of being alone and also to be considered a truly forgiving Christian, but you know what, I’m doing okay.
My therapist is helping me to overcome some of my past. I’ve seen my mistakes and had to finally realize to stop doing things to make others happy, especially when they don’t deserve it. That goes for being a witness too. Told I have capabilities, but never appointed. After so many talks about reaching out, I’ve asked and was told “well you don’t really reach out, it just kinda happens”. Well, that was eye opening. Yes I was going out in service on the holidays when only two or three of us showed up. Hypocrisy!
Well, now I’m just trying to find my way. Don’t know how to make friends to be quite honest. Been so use to false friends, the kind you only see three times a week. Just trying to find my way and learn to start fresh. Tired of the guilt trip! My therapist says I’m on the way to doing that. Honestly, seeing all of your posts here helped me to know that I’m not alone. So I hope to be able to participate here to the best of my abilities, heal and move forward. Mad that I’ve been lied to, but I should have known better!