Funny that by The West.. you actually should be saying the USA..
GodZoo
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Hysterically tragic - the west stuffs up in Syria
by fulltimestudent ina former lebanese (christian) terrorist once told me a story (meant to be funny) about west asian politics.. a turtle was swimming past the shoreline of the red sea.
on the shore a scorpion calls out,"hey!
give me a lift over to the other side.
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What does your baptism mean to you now?
by GiftsinMen ini was baptised on 1st sept 1990, 25years ago today.
it is still a date with deep meaning for me.
i never dedicated my life to serving any man or any organisation, this was my choice - as a grown adult - to serve my god through jesus christ.
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GodZoo
GodZoo:- ." makes my baptism about as significant as my first puff off a cigarette, my first exsperience with alcohol, my first frolic with a girl and my first punch up...."
So wrong !! I bet your first puff on a cigarette was fun, your first experience of alcohol fun ( if you didn't puke up ) As for your first frolic with a girl (This is something I bet you never tire of repeating) So that only leaves your first punch up, and let me put you in my shoes on that one, Well that was quite significant to me, and believe me on that one baptism wins every time.
The Rebel.First cigarette (aged 9) I puked up.. first alcohol experience (aged 10) I puked up, first frolic with a girl (aged 7) I did not puke up.. but you're actually right.. I can remember every detail and feeling and visual regarding all these 3 events.
Baptism? Genuinely a complete blur.. there is no emotional and certainly no spiritual memory/feeling at all. As though it never happened.
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What does your baptism mean to you now?
by GiftsinMen ini was baptised on 1st sept 1990, 25years ago today.
it is still a date with deep meaning for me.
i never dedicated my life to serving any man or any organisation, this was my choice - as a grown adult - to serve my god through jesus christ.
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GodZoo
For what was meant to be the most significant and important event of my life I hardly remember a single thing about it.
Same as many have said above. I was young and vulnerable and got rapidly indoctrinated and love bombed, didn't have clue what I was doing, did not have and never have had any tangible relationship with any invisible, undetectable, unknowable, unreachable God or his apparent and equally absent son. At the time however I do recall that I was sinning my ass off and so to me for all these reasons my baptism is about as significant as my first puff off a cigarette, my first experience with alcohol, my first frolic with a girl and my first punch up..
Each of which are now just a vague meaningless blur and just as invalid.
I can not be baptised into a concept or an idea.. a theory or an opinion.. I can not be baptised based into something based entirely on 3,000 year old stories told to me by dodgy window cleaning magazine salesmen.
If the Bible is to be seen as true.. everyone it speaks of that made such a commitment had either a personal experience, calling, vision or slap in the head from God himself and/or Jesus. Until I experience similar I refuse any longer to delude myself with fanciful stories, myths, fables and legends that jumping into a bath tub somehow connects me to the creator of the universe and makes him and I best friends.
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Follow up to Crazyguys rant.
by Crazyguy inwant to thank everyone that's posted on the other thread the advise is much appreciated and i will look at all the ideas before i proceed.
i wanted to talk about the advise concerning stopping my kids from going to meetings and or stopping the jw's from studying with my kids.
first a little background on my situation.. im still married and still living with my wife.
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GodZoo
I have not studied the Bible with my kids as of yet because I don't believe it to be from God anymore.
Then teach them that.. they are your children.. not the organisations.
I know it must be an incredibly difficult and complex situation for you to be in right now and I did not mean to lack empathy. I never had a father at all and can see very clearly from the view of the child when one's father is not there to care for you and do the right thing however difficult and hard that may have been for him. Anything less is a form of abandonment. Being true to oneself is always important and even more so as a parent as it will be the substance and foundation of how your children will view you in later years.
Like: "Why if you knew did you let this happen to us".
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Follow up to Crazyguys rant.
by Crazyguy inwant to thank everyone that's posted on the other thread the advise is much appreciated and i will look at all the ideas before i proceed.
i wanted to talk about the advise concerning stopping my kids from going to meetings and or stopping the jw's from studying with my kids.
first a little background on my situation.. im still married and still living with my wife.
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GodZoo
Being true to yourself once you are awake is the first and primary thing. If you cannot do that, nothing else is really of any value at all.
If you're still in what happened to family study which you should take the lead in? How did these ministerial servants manage to take over your role as father?
Why don't you just stop the study as authoritative family head and take it yourself and teach your kids the real truth.
You seemed to have left a void with them that others have stepped in to fill. As I said before.. an absent father is the worst thing that can happen to a child.
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Give Jehovah Only 6 Months!
by naazira inmain question: what do you think would happen if jehovah's witnesses stayed away from the watchtower organization for 6 months?
instead of "us" staying in their world for 6 months.
personally, i think they would be like the amish youth on rumspringa- many to never return.. i came across a thread here, where the poster said that their parents told them to give jehovah's org 6 months.
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GodZoo
What is a further six month period supposed to change or undo?
In brainwashing circles It's called 'rinse and repeat'.
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Why doesn't Jesus appear to you ?
by opusdei1972 inthe new testament tells us stories about miracles, people speaking in different languages by the holy spirit, jesus appearing to many of his disciples.
but, why this was only a first century phenomenom???.
here some reasoning: http://godisimaginary.com/i15.htm.
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Give Jehovah Only 6 Months!
by naazira inmain question: what do you think would happen if jehovah's witnesses stayed away from the watchtower organization for 6 months?
instead of "us" staying in their world for 6 months.
personally, i think they would be like the amish youth on rumspringa- many to never return.. i came across a thread here, where the poster said that their parents told them to give jehovah's org 6 months.
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GodZoo
If you imagine most people in here got involved, drawn into and often stuck in the witness religion from reading just a single one of their books. Studies have also shown that people can be indoctrinated and brainwashed in a matter of weeks or even days depending on the methods used. 6 months? You're risking your life.
I find it funny that they say 'give Jehovah a try' when Jehovah is not even provably present in the minutest sense in anything they say or do. All that is present is a man made religious cult run by some odd old men in Brooklyn.
What you are in fact 'trying' by giving them a chance is just giving these people free reign to love bomb your ass into surrender and replace your entire lifestyle, friends, family, interests, activities, educational goals, sexual preferences, moral and ethical code with their own one size fits all template. Why by the way if you do not follow.. they will shun you.
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Crazyguy is going batshit crazy a Rant
by Crazyguy inyesterday some jw's came over to my house and were even being nice to me, most of the time if they do come by an elder or ms may say something but the others will not, its even hard for them to say just hello (how pathetic).
( they also do this behind my back as if i don't know).
i now realize by not being their i've handed my kids right over to them!.
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GodZoo
If I was in your situation this is what I would do.
I would stop the witnesses from having any kind of study with or even access to my kids.. If that is not possible due to their mother having custody and control, I would then insist on being present at every study.. and then instead of letting them conduct any kind of Bible study.. I would request that we actually study the whole formation and true history of the witness organisation and its published teachings over the last 130 years; and that right there will be your opportunity to take them completely to pieces and save your children from being swallowed into the cult.
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Can Anyone Help Me?
by sneekyapostate ini'm wanting to set up a youtube channel exposing what goes on at meetings and the hypocrisy that goes on.
trouble is i'm not exactly welcome at the meetings if you know what i mean!!!
i was wondering if anyone out there in uk or us could let me have a khconf number and pin so i can record parts of the meeting and expose them on the tube.
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GodZoo
I don't know how you would have the strength to listen to an entire audio stream of a even single whole meeting. Just listening to a few seconds of the clip below causes something inside me to experience a minor death stroke.