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  Shunning & separation from family

  by CJxfarmx in

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  i was raised in jw as a child.

  my dad was a jw my mom was not, they are divorced now.

  i was never baptized or anything but i stopped going once i had the choice at age 12. now i am 41 and my dad will not associate with me, my wife or my 3 kids.

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  Bugbear

  CJxfarmX

  I´ m sorry for you. Not having a father and not been able to show your children their grandpa…must be painful and stressful. But there is a question that rose up.:? Did you ever do the preaching work? Were you ever recognized as a JW? Did your father ever cared for you before the separation. If your answer on these quest. are No…then your father has no scriptural reason to shun you. He is just another blatant idiot to men that doesn’t understand what he actually ought to do…… Taking care of his child. Many men just run away from their responsibility and try to hide behind a façade of working hard, doing the preaching work, don´t want their congregation to know “mistake” from earlier time…Meaning that you “father” is nothing but a real asshole. In fact he is not worth your or your children’s attention at all… These men frequently appears both inside the org and outside…. I must admit that I became a father at the age of 20…a boy…. I was not a good father always trying to avoid my duties as a father….this because my immaturity. Now at the age of 70 and my son at the 50, it has become much much better… We have both left the org and to day my son is my pride (I think he is a little bit proud over his father to)
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  This should make most reasonable people stop believing in the Bible as infallible

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i think that few parts of the bible can make you atheist or at least agnostic or at least kill your belief in the bible as infallible or the work of a loving god as comparing 2 samuel 24 with 1 chronicles 21. most people focus on the 1st verse, but there are at least 4 major and 1 minor contradiction in the chapter (they are parallel accounts).in the new world translation, 2 samuel 24 starts like this:.

  24 and again the anger of jehovah came to be hot against israel, when one incited david against them, saying: “go, take a count of israel and judah.” .

  notice that it is an impersonal "one" who incited david to do the census.

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  ILoveTTATT 2

  Interesting thread. I am very glad that some take up the subject of the parallel accounts. I think there are more of them than an average JW dubs know about. In fact I think 1/3 of the whole OT, its only copies of copies of copies… When the old Hebrews wrote these “scrolls” they used only what was available in the local synagogue. In fact many of these copiers were illiterate men that just copied what their eyes saw. They could not even read what they were copying. And another fact is that they were coping from SCROLLS….not codex format. Which made it almost impossible to check the other synagogue scrolls. The amount of wholly scrolls grew by the time, and nobody had access to the “original texts”. And the masses of text scrolls grow…. When Athanasious about 350 a.C. decided what was within Canonic scriptures….. He had no Idea that most of them were only copies and copies and copies (and in many cases wrong translations) from Hebrew, Aramaic and Coptic scriptures. It was impossible for him to read all the scrolls and find that they were exactly the same texts (but of course with all the misinterpreting’s and wrong spelling) the “copiers” made.

  There are faculties’ in many universities that are trying (with modern computer technology) to find out exactly which texts are copied. And on most universities there are available computer solutions to find out if you are just coping another text when you are writing an Essay. Of course you are dismissed if you try.
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  An old Kingdom hall now a church?

  by HereIgo in

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  2. experiences

  have any of you heard of anything like this.

  i remember an ex jw from ohio taking video of a former kingdom hall that is now a church.

  apparently the society sold it to the church.

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  Bugbear

  This thing selling KH, AH branch offices to the ”devil” is nothing new: here in Sweden I can recall at least about 4 selling of, to other “churches”

  Ex. 1.: Branch office in Jakobsberg (Stockholm) sold to the Swedish State church (Lutheran) in the beginning of 1970. (motivation: they were the only one that had the money)..

  Ex 2. Assembly Hall in Jakobsberg sold a few years later to a Muslim cong. (motivation: it was to costly to maintain.)

  Ex.3 Orebro congregation KH…New build…sold to another congregation of Islam. (Motivation ( they wanted the money to establish a much larger KH hall in Orebro with a better location…)

  Ex.4 Branch office in Arboga sold to the local community for about §7.000.000 , now a fugitive camp, with about 100 % Muslim population…

  The examples could go on and on and on

  The success work of preaching and the societies success is very well known over the world…
  
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  Introduction

  by robrog8999 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello all.... i am new here so i figured i'd make a quick post introducing myself and giving a brief intro as to who i am and what i'm here for... as well as to hopefully meet others.. so, i made a profile and in it i gave a pretty detailed explanation as to my intent here and exactly why i decided to participate in the boards.

  in case you don't read it, i'll give a brief summary.

  the name is robert.

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  Bugbear

  Hello Robrog 8999..

  Welcome to this forum. You are obviously a truth searcher. That is admirable and shows that you are an intelligent person. But if you really want to find the truth, I think the first task is to make an introspection of yourselves. This meaning that you´ll have to find out your motive and how your basic knowledge of moral, bible issues, understanding of philosophical ideas came about.

  You are brought up in Columbus Ohio. What if you were born in Calcutta India? or Bangkok? Or South Africa? Would you have been a Christian then? Would you ever notice that 1 billion Christians believe (questionable), that some old rolls/codex written in ancient greek or Hebrew letters are THE WORD FROM GOD. (Or at least some of our interpretations)….

  It looks like you think that the Bible itself….can deliver the water of truth, if it is only explained to you. So I suggest that you take up serious Bible studies and take a few courses with real Bible scholars. I can recommend Prof. Bart Ehrman, from Chapel Hill, N.Carolina. He can add a lot of knowledge to your Bible questions. He is specialist in “new testam” historical facts, and it astonishing that very few from those who think they have the “KNOWLEDGE” never refer to Bart…. Look him up in youtube…
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  BIG news Trump...His lewd conversation leaks.

  by James Mixon in

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  if he get pass this, america deserve him...... conversation 10 years ago..

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  From a European viewpoint…

  Having a man with obviously a mental capacity of a 13-15 years of teenager boy age, with his finger on the A-bomb button, scares me the hell, I can´t sleep at night. It´s even worse than if some GB members should be elected to the precedence of the US.
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  ls homosexuality really normal?

  by atomant in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  l know animals do it but their animals.they dont live by a moral code.the thought of 2 men going for it is not normal.what are your thoughts?.

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  Atomate

  Sex is not a sin. Sex is something necessary to keep life going on. All creatures do have sex. Some are homosexual, some transgender, some Bisexual? There is nothing wrong with sex, unless your sex -desires hurt or harm your partner. I agree that some sex acts ex. pedophilia, violent Sadism, rape and so forth will harm your partner….therefore not acceptable. But as long as both or more agree fully….we shouldn´t interfere with what other people do in their privacy…
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  Are Gods true worshippers on Earth today? If they are not JWs then who are they?

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  is there gods true worshipers on earth today as jesus said there would be?

  if they are not jws then who are they?.

  who else comes close to being gods true followers today?.

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  Bugbear

  Anders….

  On the spot

  I believe in Elvis, I know he´s alive. I think I heard a message in one of all the old records I have. And my Elvis records proof that he exist….There must be more secret and hidden messages in the other records, can anyone give me a contribution so that I can continue in listening to the other records. Then I promise I´ll give you all the answers you want. But You must obey me and trust in my special knowledge…
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  I want to understand violence

  by Chook in

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  tell me your thoughts ?.

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  Bugbear

  Chook…

  Violence is just a part of life. A part of life as, love, hate, emotions, feelings, sex, eating, and sleeping. You can see violence in almost every creature. Creatures like viruses living on cells, snakes eating mouse, insects sucking blood they need to lay their eggs in. Mammals hunting other mammals. When it comes to humans, violence is not only a food and digestions matter. It is a part of dominating other humans specially the females. Even among monkeys, apes and some other mammals, it is important, for especially male to foresee, that his DNA passes on to new generations. They could kill any other male that challenge their status, and this has been done in the whole world ever since life begun millions of years ago. In fact some hormones (testosterone, adrenaline, nor-adrenaline) in your and my body trigger violence from us just to protect ourselves from being the victim of other creature’s violent behavior. So violence is a selves going clock (a perpetum mobile).

  I my selves has a small sheep farm, and I know that when a wolf pack comes along, they will start having fun whit my sheep’s. That is to kill as many of them they can without eating anything. This till they notice that I have entered the field with a shotgun. Then they disappear quickly to my neighbors sheep fields……

  I myself don’t eat sheep meat. But I can do with a small piece of salmon….
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  What is the Education Level of the Governing Body members?

  by Wild_Thing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i would love to compile a list of the education obtained by the governing body members both past and present.

  can anyone provide any information to get me started?.

  it still amazes me they think they can translate ancient languages with an 8th grade education.

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  Wild-Thing

  About the translation ability…You must understand that they have the wholly spirit that helps them…

  Just the same as Josef Smith LDS, had the angel Morony and Urim and Tummim, helping him to translate the gold plates at Commora Hill. Unfortunately The Gold Plates disappeared when asked for. If fact according to some very skilled scholars (Bart Ehrman, Chappel Hill Univers-) Even the original manuscripts of the very Bible does not exist….we only have copies of copies of copies of…

  And they are all contradicting themselves
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  Reading The Bible Again After Leaving

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  at the moment i dont beleive in anything.

  im pretty much an open book, but my critical mind is very alert to bullshit.

  but anyway i decided to re-read the bible with a non jw filter.. i researched online first which is supposed to be the best translation out there.

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  Bugbear

  Hello everyone!

  I am sure that you have looked up on youtube professor Bart Ehrman…If not try to see some of his lectures. It has been for me, the release of knowledge to understand the old scriptures…