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  Open discussion on "Spiritual Intelligence"

  by Fernando in

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  it was a surprise to learn that there are quite a number of si books, and si tests, out there.. what are your thoughts on si?.

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  Does this mean that either the pope or some Mullah can challenge the title “world championship” in SI?
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  Where does WT get their money?

  by Dreamerdude in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i assume they get most of it from cash donations and assets left in wills.

  there may also be some income from invested assets.

  i guess they get a lot of money from old jws who die childless or with only df'd kids.geographically i assume they get it mostly from a few countries that have many publishers and strong economies.

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  I can tell you that here in sweden, they have closed the bransch office, sold out the assembly hall, and a number of KH:s. Its surely shows that northern europe is not their "money maker"... But sweden denmark norway and Netherlands are also the most atheistic countries in the world. No religion will have any success here. Not even the different Islamic versions...

  Bugbear
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  Things I Never Knew When I Was A Witness!

  by disillusioned 2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there are some things that as a witness i never knew.

  maybe i was just going through the motions, attending meetings and not listening much.

  never was very good at personal study or underlining answers in watchtower or book study (i never ever answered up) was too shy.. i never knew when i was a witness that they taught that jesus had looked down on the earth in 1919 to see who was serving god most accurately, and of course he chose a small group of bible students living in america!

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  Yes, there were many things I never knew. But there were also many things I knew, but suppressed. I did not know the business idea, that the WT had. To let voluntary people build and by them estates, and then selling them on the market with profit. I didn´t understand the brilliant idea to cover up all these transactions within a tax free org. registered as a non-profitable org. or an international Aid org. I didn´t know that the soc. where a member of the UN (NGO). And I had no idea that many of the elders in the cong. took advantage of their pos. and became pedophiles.

  And I can assure you that there are still many things we never know….

  Bugbear
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  Another Newbie

  by Drifting Away in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello, i have been lurking for a while, but discovered ttatt for about 8 months now.

  i am trying to fade out, problem is i have a big family i would lose if i got df'ed or da,'ed myself.

  my wife knows how i feel, and is not thrilled but i cant hide my feelings.

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  Drifting away!

  I faded about 20 years ago. Now I am DA.éd. My entire family (6 children) are also saved. Still my wife is in!!! But I guess spiriually week - since non of her family members like her behaviour. Saying this only to assure you that you are not lonesam.

  We still wait for her...... But I know her friends (in cong.) means to much. She suffers from cognitive dissonance.... But her cong. is shrinking rapidly...

  You must take it easy and never confront your wife or relatives with your knowledge of ttatt... Just wait and say that you are sick have depression or anything

  Bugbear
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  Giant Leak of Offshore Financial Records Exposes Global Array of Crime and Corruption

  by JHK in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  millions of documents show heads of state, criminals and celebrities using secret hideaways in tax havens... [...].

  what about watchtower society's holy money?.

  https://panamapapers.icij.org/20160403-panama-papers-global-overview.html?goal=0_ffd1d0160d-4ddea55429-100339089&mc_cid=4ddea55429&mc_eid=bfe834e473.

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  JeffT

  I don´t think that ”the Watchtower” as an organization would have any benefit from hiding their money (for the moment) from tax authorities….But Individual private person in control of the assets, could easily hide away large sums of money for example for future retirement if the org. collaps….

  It´s called money washing..

  No trace of the money no individual person can be charged

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  Giant Leak of Offshore Financial Records Exposes Global Array of Crime and Corruption

  by JHK in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  millions of documents show heads of state, criminals and celebrities using secret hideaways in tax havens... [...].

  what about watchtower society's holy money?.

  https://panamapapers.icij.org/20160403-panama-papers-global-overview.html?goal=0_ffd1d0160d-4ddea55429-100339089&mc_cid=4ddea55429&mc_eid=bfe834e473.

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  For years I have been wondering about the WBTS: where are the money?

  Today I think there is a chance that we might have a chance to a big break through. I panama registered lawyer firm:, Mossack Fonseca, has dropt a list with over 200.000 registered tax reduction firms, registered, in the British Virgin Islands, Cayman islands and others. Some on this firm dropped via Wikileaks, and all these document are now available over the internet. I think that this might be the chance of finding Watchtower related names, not to mention the GB or Watchtower inc. (Don Alden Adams and other), this to reveal fraud from the high ranking people. I Will start digging a.s.p, and I urge you all other friends to do the same…

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  Who Selected the Canon? Does “The Watchtower” Tell Us the Whole Story?

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  at pages 27 to 29 of its article, does the bible tell us the whole story about jesus?, “the watchtower” of april 1, 2010 discusses the subject: “who selected the canon?”.

  the watch tower claims that professor oskar skarsaune and professor kenneth berding provide support for its contention that the list of christian greek scriptures was a product of some first-century christians who were endowed with “superhuman abilities”, and that the canon was not established in the second century..

  does “the watchtower” tell the whole story on who selected the canon?.

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  I have spent several years in the university, studying History of Ideas and Science and I have learnt that “scholars” at least in the western world agree on one point. This is that a bishop from Alexandria had a mayor influence over what was to be considered as “canonic” letters. This bishop was Athanastasious, well known as the creator of the trinity dogma. This was after a big battle with the Arians, who couldn´t accept that God was three….

  Athanstasious have left letters (still stored at the Vatican library) telling all the early congs. in Asia and Italy, which written material, that could be considered as “canonic” . You also must know that during this time there was a numerous different letters circling around in all those first established congs. In fact We have almost noting of the original letters so all of these later letters must be based pure on oral tradition (They are all based on transcriptions of translations of transcriptons …….!!!)

  If you want to know more of the origin of the “canonic” scriptures I strongly recommend you to look up prof. Barth Ehrman on YouTube. You can listen to his lessons there and get much information only from that…..

  Bugbear
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  What is the motivation behind the JW org?

  by Half banana in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the gb has recently said that the brothers are generously contributing lots of money (at gunpoint it seems!

  ) so why with a billion dollar annual income do they demand more cash?

  they have staunched the outward flow of money on paid preachers, zone overseers and bethel expenses and stalled the promised worldwide luxury buildings projects..

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  Lisa - Rose

  Your analyzis are "on the spot"

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  Like Father, Like Son

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when faced with awkward questions about the morality of god many christians respond by distancing themselves from the old testament and focusing on "gentle jesus meek and mild" of the new testament.. for bible-believing christians this is intellectually dishonest.. according to christian dogma jesus was the god of abraham isaac and jacob.

  the logos, the alpha and omega who is "the same yesterday, today, and forever.".

  he claimed that "he that has seen me has seen the father" and that "i and the father are one".. in short, christians assert that jesus is almighty god from all eternity.. it therefore follows that jesus was the god who ordered the nation of israel to take slaves as inheritable possessions.

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  Cofty:

  You are 100% correct% Jesus = Yahwe = evil and not a merciful God in ancient times.

  Cold steel:

  Yahwe allows his followers to act barbarian, meaning that he actually accept the world of cruelty, and don’t give a damn on what is happening to his sons and daughter’s…

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  What do you think is the source of your consciousness? Can it be copied or transferred?

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this seems to be a question that even scientifically is still in the air.

  right now your consciousness, is it the physical part of the brain?

  the electrical signals in the brain?

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  Bugbear

  This is a very interesting philosophical question. What is moral? What is consciousness, what is altruism? Religious people often claim that atheist cannot have any moral, since there is no God no one can give us a moral code, hence we are allowed to do anything that pleases us. !!!?

  They also claim that Darwins evolutionary theory (the survival of the strongest and fittest) must lead to this terribel conclusion - if you hit first – you are more likely to survive….

  But resent studies have been able to show that those mammals that have a sense of compassion within their group/pack, will have a slightly better chance to survive. If the members of the group/pack do love one another and are willingly to sacrifice themselves for the other members the group the likelihood for the group to increase their numbers is great.

  It looks like moral, consciousness, altruism, are important factors as well not only for humans but it works also for many animals. Examples and test has been made on dolphins, elephants, apes, and other specimens.

  But sometimes things doesn’t work the way we’ve hoped for. In an experiment in Africa a group of scientist feeded daily a pack of Apes with just enough bananas to keep every monkey satisfied. Everything went good for a long time, the Alpha male let everyone in the pack have their banana and the group was prosperous. One day the researcher decided to make un experiment. Instead of feeding the apes sparsely they transported a full container to the group of monkeys.

  Then the Alpha male turned banana (see the joke?). He wouldn´t let any other of the monkeys even come in the neighborhood of his treasure. In fact he showed tendencies to be able to kill any of those trying to sneak just one of his bananas.

  What could we learn from this experiment? Could it be that greed corrupt humans? Could it be that if you think that you can survive without the company and help from others?, you might as well let them starve and suffer?

  Bugbear