a questions that has been on my mind for 20+ years that i have been away.. and more recently - a friend of my sons was killed.
he ask me "mom where are you going when you die?
" i am worried because if you die, i don't know where you are going.
Ditto, anti-absolutist. Thats how I feel. I believe we all have a gut instinct about the afterlife. As was said earlier, every religion teaches "life after death". I don't think it hurts anyone to hope for more than this life, however, live your life like this is the only one.
Gawd, doesn't it feel good to NOT HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS. I remember the feelings I'd have of "knowing" what happened after death, and feeling a "pity" to all those that didn't know. Stupid, eh?
i read this quote at tom's site (thanks tom!
) and then looked it up for myself on the wt cd.
this is truly disturbing and shows their true mindset....this is from the nov. !5th 1952 question from readers.
"Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws. The law of the land and God’s law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship. However, God’s law requires us to recognize their being disfellowshiped from his congregation, and this despite the fact that the law of the land in which we live requires us under some natural obligation to live with and have dealings with such apostates under the same roof. "
Here's a thought... Rome had the same limits of law for the jews. They couldn't "stone" those who broke the Law. I remember a few years ago, when I was leaving Dubdom, I found an article (WT???)dealing with Rome and "sinful jews" - how the law limited the Isreal way of punishment, so in fact, they were restricted from the temple, and in "effect" disfellowshipped. So I brought up the point to my mom... who did Christ preach to??? Simply put, it was the sinners - the ones of the Isreal nation that "left" because of the pharisees/burdens/law, etc. He associated with the "disfellowshipped" ones - ones who were "raised" as Jews, knew the laws, but did not live by it.
If anyone can find the article, its about 2pgs. I just moved, and I don't have my "library" and I refuse to polute my computer with the CD .
found this while surfing... .
http://www.explorernews.com/display/inn_news/features/features1.txt.
but interestingly, look at this quote from the article.
Found this while surfing...
http://www.explorernews.com/display/inn_news/Features/features1.txt
But interestingly, look at this quote from the article
"I'm not of the anointed," Tipton said, "so I cannot tell you how they know they are of the 144,000, but they know. And if they know, they receive and then we report that number to the Governing Body ... the number is decreasing because Witnesses are dying and of course the anointed have been counted since the time of Jesus' memorial meal."
Oh, brother... has he even LOOKED at the January issues over the past 10 years?!?! The figures are a'rising. I can hardly wait to see how many more have "had the calling"
comments you will not hear at the 3-9-03 wt study
february 1, 2003 edition page 8.
"remain in my word".
Blondie - you have no idea how much your insite is appreciated
I just finished looking at the Purelanguage.net site - and OMG its refreshing to be back to this site where one can think for themselves and offer their opinion.
I was disgusted to see "report this post to moderator" on all member posts, just in case it left the "theocratic order".
I'm hoping your lack of meeting attendence won't diminish your weekly "bible" study. You are one smart chickie!!!
can anyone tell me how to find the information proving that the jws have dealings with the un and that they are in fact members.
i went on the un main website but i could not find anything.
i tried their search engine and nothing came up.. please help!.
Sandy,
I wrote & emailed the UN directly. They emailed me back the same day... whereas I never recieved anything by mail.
The WTBTS wrote me back (their form letter).
I also wrote to the journalist who broke the story in England... he emailed me back.
Hmmm, I used the UN website to print off their brochure on NGO's etc. and I also got the Librarian at the library to respond.
All in all, it took about 2 months to get everything... the Society being the longest to respond. They never wrote back to my 2nd letter questioning the "library" excuse.
I have all original info (which I wanted) with no "apostate" tracings - but of course, they supplied all the emails, sites, etc. that I needed to gather the info. My family was much more receptive to looking at the info with it being all originals instead of "site" prints. But trust me, the info is indeed reliable.
i found this in one of my course books.
it's quite interesting, added to a chapter dealing with dynamics of friedman-robertson-walker universes.
it looks to me like this man doesn't deny the possibility of a diety, and he is a respected scientist, no creation-pseudo-nonsens-scientist.
Nowhere - this is my last post on this subject.
Firstly, I have a sense of humor, and often use it when someone is being too serious. Lighten up, its only a Theory, and I'm free to express my point of view.
Second, in expressing my point of view, I do not appreciate you swinging mud and telling me that I'm clinging to JW logic. God, give me a break. If you don't accept my reasoning, fine - but don't lower yourself to degrading my point of view.
Third, I've started other posts and the member's have either agreed or disagreed with me - added their thoughts, expanded my viewpoint, etc. That's the point of this board... if you feel backed into a corner with your reasoning, perhaps accept a different perspective (and disregard it if necessary - I'm disregarding yours)... but show some manners.
Ohhhhh - one last thought. Since time is indefinite, could it be possible that instead of there being multiple universes (simultaneously) perhaps this universe has experienced the various combinations already. I personally believe "life" is hardy, not rare, and exists in the most difficult of conditions.
i found this in one of my course books.
it's quite interesting, added to a chapter dealing with dynamics of friedman-robertson-walker universes.
it looks to me like this man doesn't deny the possibility of a diety, and he is a respected scientist, no creation-pseudo-nonsens-scientist.
Abaddon (angel) - thanks for seeing my point, some folks on this board are "obsessed with sperm" and still don't get the point... perhaps "A" should have made it instead of "C" and then we'd see how important it is... I'm wondering if Nowhere believes a "soul" enters the fertilized egg (hmmmm), if so I could see how it doesn't matter.
Nowhere - "And the anthropic principle migh be just that explanation, and it is very compelling. Then we don't have to wonder why we are here, the answer would be that there is no other alternative. And for me, a diety is something that explaines why there is a universe in the first place. It does not explain why the universe is as we know it."
I respect your "for me, a diety explains why there is a universe", thinking. My thinking is, why wonder beyond the reality of life - you need an invisible to expain the reality (a diety, multiple universes THEORY). Then you're hooped. It may satisfy some for short while, but then others may begin asking "Who created the diety?" "What were the conditions that allow/ed for his existence?" or "Was there a 'Big Bang' that caused all the multiple universes?" "Were there multiple/multiple universes?" I have a headache.
Ahhh, Abaddon - I do believe that all life wonders about the conditions that permit it to live. I know my cats ponder "if the food wasn't crunchy and given to me daily, the toilet seat left up so I could drink cold fresh water, the house temp. kept to a chilly 69C" (oops)... I'm degressing - can't get that damn sperm out of my head.
i found this in one of my course books.
it's quite interesting, added to a chapter dealing with dynamics of friedman-robertson-walker universes.
it looks to me like this man doesn't deny the possibility of a diety, and he is a respected scientist, no creation-pseudo-nonsens-scientist.
Nowhere - you posted the article. I responded... I got the point. The chances of this universe being able to support life are soooooo small that some are turning to a "multiple universe" theory. Simple. All I was pointing out, was just because something, by chance is infinitesimal - doesn't mean it can't happen.
The 200 million sperm, just shows your odds were 1 in 200 million + the right time of the month + the right 2 people x all the generations prior. Yes, I know we have "fighter sperm" and "weak sperm"... but unlike Monty Python, I wasn't singing the praises of sperm. And my point was it does matter "who" reaches the egg, otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Ahhh, live well my friend.
i found this in one of my course books.
it's quite interesting, added to a chapter dealing with dynamics of friedman-robertson-walker universes.
it looks to me like this man doesn't deny the possibility of a diety, and he is a respected scientist, no creation-pseudo-nonsens-scientist.
Here's a "lucky" coincidence...
Out of my dad's millions of little "squigily, squirmy, sperms" one in particular made it to my mom's egg at the right time of the month, in the right year, month, day, hour, etc. for me to be concieved.
Had they not met, I wouldn't be here. Had it been a month later, a different egg would have meant a different person. Had a different sperm fertilized the egg, I wouldn't be here. What are those odds???? I'm "lucky" to be here I guess.
Then if you go back... what were the chances of each of their parents meeting and producing them... what about my grandparents? We have a whole family history of the odds of these two people meeting and having their children.
Keep going back. The odds mount to an impossible set of "lucky" coincidences that we were even born. Crazy. Yet there are billions of us walking around, despite the odds of our individual self being here.
So the odds of all life are infinitesimal - immeasurable, but it happened. What are the odds that a "creator" exists out of nowhere (no explaination there) and made everything? What are you saying, that a powerful, intelligent being can exist without a creator? Hmmmm, I believe I'm saying the same thing. We humans, animals, life, universe, exist "out of nothing", and I believe in it.
jesus said the good news of the kingdom would be preached, and then the end would come.
if you believe in jesus, then you believe in what he says, so there is an end.
second, who is preaching the good news today, like jesus said?
JH - you skipped out on your last topic "Armegeddon"... did you read any of the responses there. I'm curious why you didn't raise this point under that topic... its still dealing with the "end". Not attacking - just curious.
Tash
