Posts by worf

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What's with Ex-Jw's who join another religion? Fool me Twice????

by Witness 007 in

sorry no offense but why do some ex-witnesses here join another group....we have a muslim {muhamed was given a koran by an angel in a cave?

}....we have some baptists etc......i researched the bible and found there are 1,000's of gospels not part of the bible...so what's the deal...."fool me once shame on you..fool me twice shame on me" or do you have a reason for continued belief in religion...i really wan't to know since iam agnostic and don't believe in god or evolution????

?

worf

I don't mean to offend anyone here, but as for the comments about the existence or non-existence of god: The burden of proof

falls on those who claim that god exists, to prove his/her/its existence. The burden of proof does not fall on those who don't believe in god, to prove that god doesn't exist.

Honestly, when you deal with objective reality, claims of god and of so-called inspired books such as the bible, are hoaxes.

There is no one who has ever proven that they have seen god, heard god, felt god, smelled god, and forget about "tasting god and seeing that he is good" as we were taught in the borg. Therefore, there is no proof that some ethereal god out in space or the "heavens" exists.

Additionally, anyone can write a book, or put a collection of writings together and claim it is from god and/or inspired. There is no proof that any books or collections of writings are from some god.

I don't mean to offend anyone here, but honesty is stronger than something that a person wants to make his/her truth.

Worf

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One easy question to stump a JW

by drew sagan in

for quite some time i have been tossing around the idea that there has to be a question out there, a question that can cut straight to the heart of what it means to question the watchtower.

last night while doing some mindless tasks i think that question may have come to me.

the question is: .

worf

Good one Drew.

I challenge the jdumbs when I see them in 'streetwork', or when they come to my door.

I'm going to use your question. I know it will throw their circuits off.

Thanks.

Worf

59

Do you ever miss it? Ever?

by AK - Jeff in

for me - rarely would be the correct word.

i don't miss the indoctrination.

i don't miss the wasted time in service.

worf

No.

Worf

38

I finally Left!

by The Doc 58 in

i would like to give the full details of my leaving the jw's, but i don't have a lot of time at this moment.

basically i was raised in the organization and it drove me pretty insane bacause my father was an elder, mother a pioneer, sister a bethelite, etc.

so, i did the whole thing for a long time.

worf

Welcome Doc,

I had a similar experience with my ex-wife who was a pioneer when I stopped going to the meetings.

I was an elder.

If you feel I can assist you in any way, feel free to ask.

Worf

107

Remember when assemblies were fun?

by Aphrodite in

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friends

i just remembered when i was a kid and we would go to the assembly, it was fun because we got to buy new clothes and put extra effort into looking good.

when we would get there you could save your seats and even save some for your friends, then go off looking for them.. i used to love our circuit assembly because of the food.

it was at the assembly hall and there was a big kitchen, some of my favourite brothers worked in that kitchen, sometimes i was allowed to go in and help.

worf

KICKED OUT,

Yes. I grew up going to the Queens Assembly Hall. And I do remember the days of walking to White Castle and Wendys.

Worf

35

What's the craziest thing you've lost your privileges over?

by 5thGeneration in

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this question dedicated to watson!

5th... stick to the "losing my priviledges threads.".

love when people can't take a joke unless it's theirs!

worf

My 5 year battle against the wt, which resulted in me being "deleted" as an elder was based on my defending

a brother in my congregation against elders who told this brother that he could not bring his son (whom he had had out of wedlock),

to the hall. They told him that he had to just deal with his son "through the mail".

Note that this brother had not been disfellowshipped for his adultery and his witness wife had willingly accepted him back

without wanting to divorce him.

Additionally, the co's and do's told his wife that "Illegitimite children have no future hope".

Sounds bizarre, but this is exactly what happened from 1995-2000.

The above is the core of why I was deleted. Because I stood up for what is right.

That situation resulted in a 5 year battle which went all the way to the presidency of the wt.

Worf

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IMPORTANT: Elders Mtg at Patterson

by confusa in

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a witness just informed me about a couple that we know who had their assembly recently, and it was announced at the private elder's meeting that there will be a special meeting with all the elders in the us in patterson.

it was mentioned that we are now living "in the end of end of times" and that the un is talking about prohibiting religions.

has anyone heard of this??

worf

This nothing but a desperate attempt to keep the rank and file riled up about the "End", which will never come. Its bullsh*t!

I had been born into the borg in 1961 and I heard the same thing all my life about the UN.

( I'll tell you this: I enjoyed all of my school trips to the UN. .) Regardless of being a jw.

Additionally, as WT Wizard commented, what needs to be done to religion in general, including the wt, is to continue to

expose the religion hoax with honest the honest facts about it. Don't try to change it.

Vanish it.

Worf

107

Remember when assemblies were fun?

by Aphrodite in

jw
friends

i just remembered when i was a kid and we would go to the assembly, it was fun because we got to buy new clothes and put extra effort into looking good.

when we would get there you could save your seats and even save some for your friends, then go off looking for them.. i used to love our circuit assembly because of the food.

it was at the assembly hall and there was a big kitchen, some of my favourite brothers worked in that kitchen, sometimes i was allowed to go in and help.

worf

I do remember those days. Back in the 1960's at Yankee Stadium we had tents outside of the stadium where all kinds of hot food was cooked right on the spot. Scrambled eggs, bacon, Mashed potatoes, meatloaf, hamburgers, hot dogs, rice, vegetables, chicken, meatballs etc. Breakfast lunch and dinner menu's.

The 3-day circuit assemblies here in Queens at the Bliss assembly hall had those homemade ham and cheese sandwiches and the homemade pies and since the program lasted into the night, we had a breakfast, lunch and a dinner menu for Saturday and Sunday. Friday was only an evening program.

Worf

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If you had a Time Machine would you stop yourself being a Witness???

by Witness 007 in

what if you wen't back in time and stopped your mother from opening the door to the witnesses...and your family never came into the truth!!

what if you risked changing everything else in your life...not having kid's or the same marriage partner...would it be worth it.

worf

I would definitely use the time machine to go back and make sure I never became a part of the jw cult.

I would also go back with the knowledge I have now and sabotage the borg so that it would have never come into existence.

Worf ( Temporal Corrections Dept )

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Appalling Mind Control Comment from CO

by betweenworlds in

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i just came across this comment by someone from a group i belong to .

we just had the visit of our co...his wife made this comment to me:.

"'as i was reading the very powerful articles in the last public issue of the wt with study articles...i couldn't help but imagine that the brothers are waving a goodbye to people!'...

worf

I'm glad this thread and the points brought up here have been brought up.

IMO, a number of the recent actions by the borg are reminiscent of Jim Jones and others that were like him in the past.

Rekless, my brothers and sisters and I who are of course 'out' have seriously wondered about the same 2 points you brought up.

I already told my mom (who is still 'in', but not a dub at heart), don't drink any of that wine at the memorial, or eat any of that bread, even if they do start saying that the so-called 'anointed' is still being gathered.

Worf