Maybe you should give it some time. And then be real gentle. Don't make her feel you're pushing her. Don't even mention the WT again. If you ever get together again be a good friend. Show her a good time. Get her interested in things other than religion. If she feels you trying to influence her away from Jehovah you've had my friend.
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Feel Like Cryin'
by mackey inwell, my best friend sarah, the love of my life, has deemed me a bad association.
just when i thought i could get her out those bastards sucked her right back in.
i know by starting this thread i'm beggin' for a flaming, but this is very serious and need some support and this is the only place that i can get it.
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NBC - ST. LOUIS DISCUSSES JW CHILD ABUSE
by hawkaw inst. louis nbc is the largest affilate with nbc - if you are paying attention you will notice that this is the tv station's cover story!!!!!
sexual abuse & the jehovah's witness faith .
2/13/2003 10:51:24 pm .
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I seem to recall that the WT said, as a defence, that they, like pretty well everyone else, weren't aware of the pedophile problem 20 years ago. And now they go and admit they've been collecting data for 20 years and doing nothing about it. WOW!
"a list of many persons who could be harmful... to our congregation." Could all dfing data be compiled in this dbase? After reading the story of Ray's tape destruction in C. of C. I'd bet on it.
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Just finished my DA letter
by pr_capone inwell.... after talking alot about doing it but never actually doing it, i have decided to go ahead and write up my da letter.
dear mr. grier:.
my name is eremic granell, you know me as eric rowe.
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Great letter! Your view is well explained with just enough detail. I like your closiing instructions. I'm keeping it for future reference. I hope to formally get out of Babylon too one day soon.
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Preparing for attack
by Sadie5 inlast night on local news,(tulsa,ok) they warned of a terror attack before the end of the week.
urged us to stock up on bottled water and foods.
have sheets of plastic on hand to cover vents in case of a dirty bomb.. anyone else hearing any warnings?.
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The government doesn't want to get accused of having not sufficiently warned everyone before the next attack. I think if you live or die will depend where you are at that time. I see plastic and duct tape as good to soothe those worried and useful to drum up support for a war, but as protection? I doubt it. The guys who deal with these products do so in a controlled environment and are suited up specially when they have to handle them. If soldiers have to face an attack on the battle field are they even well enough equipped to protect their lives? Even if plastic and duct tape did give some protection, eventually oxygen would get depleted, food would run out, and you would have to emerge to face the bleak situation.
This reminds me of the nuke attack scares years ago. Even if you managed to survive in a shelter, what would you come out to eventually? If there is a chemical or biological attack, pray you are very far away, or very very close.
Take Rudy Giuliani's advice: Get on with your normal life.
Edited by - wheelwithinwheel on 12 February 2003 13:0:50
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Can't shake the feeling the end is near, help me
by m0nk3y ini hate this feeling .. i try and reason with myself thats its the life long programming that i have been through .. but the world events atm are really getting me nervous ... please people help me get past this :/edited by - m0nk3y on 12 february 2003 1:34:50.
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Astronomers now believe the universe is 13.7 billion years old (If I heard right). So even if the WT and a lot of other people believe the end is around the corner, the chances that God has planned to intervene in your lifetime (less than 100 years) are practically non-existent. However, keep in mind that crazy humans could do something stupid.... but in that case we'll all be toast.
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Kids! the things they come out with..!
by Sparks inafter an elderly elder gave a l o n g ass clenchingly boring public talk about the flood in noah`s day, .
a little boy went up to him at the end of the meeting and asked "uncle ted, was you in the ark?".
the crusty old.
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Got this first hand from a horrified JW mom.
This JW mother had her young daughter with her in a store's fitting room after service. The little girl asked very loudly, "Mom is that lady a JW." The mom quietly replied, "No dear" The little girl then added in a very loud voice, "Then she's gonna get destroyed at Armaggedon huh, mummy"
Needless to say the mother didn't answer, but put her hand over her kid's mouth and stood quietly until the lady in the next stall left.
Talk about 'training up a child.'
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Can't shake the feeling the end is near, help me
by m0nk3y ini hate this feeling .. i try and reason with myself thats its the life long programming that i have been through .. but the world events atm are really getting me nervous ... please people help me get past this :/edited by - m0nk3y on 12 february 2003 1:34:50.
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People have always believed the sky is about to fall. When Russell first started his little group it was because as the end of the 19 th century approached there were many that believed the end was imminent. Armageddon was coming and the faithful would be raised into heaven. My father-in-law belongs to a group that more or less believed that they were going to be caught up and taken to heaven before 2000 and those left on earth were going to perish. They still believe it, just think it's been delayed.
Rest assured many who lived through WW1 and WW2 when bombers flew over their cities and Europe was in ruins believed it was the end.
The JWs have always believed the sky was falling. Without getting into dates, think about pretty recent history the cold war when JWs believed it was going to end tomorrow, nuclear or the Peace and Security stage when JWs believed destruction of the system and World Peace was for yesterday. And maybe this will reassure you: some JWs believed the FLQ terrorist crisis in Quebec, Canada that brought the army into the city of Montreal, was the beginning of the end. Guess what, aside from those who died from natural causes and accidents, everyone's still around.
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My JW Folks
by CraigSA inso now they have branded me an apostate and not fit to talk to, they have never met their 1 and 2 year old grandchildren and are smeering my name all over the place because i wont send thm pictures and let my wife email them with information on whats going on in my family...my outlook is simple...either they except my whole family including me or they can put the fact that they have a son and daughter-in-law and two grandchildren out of their minds...but now i am starting to doubt that...whats everyones thoughts?
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My sister's dfing tore my mother apart. Some time I'll get into it. However dad got sick and things started to look up. But as soon as his health got better, guilt set in and the Borg ruled again (as Rayzor fittingly puts it; i.e see my icon).
Unless your parents free themselves of the mind control of the WT there is no way for them to change. Interestingly in our situation I learned that if the WT changed its point of view on dfing, my parents would be prepared to change theirs. So it's not the Bible or their personal comprehension that's important, it's current GB regulations that count.
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Yesterday's a.m. shepherding call
by wheelwithinwheel inpainting an empty apartment knock at the door
ron the elder doing not-at-homes.
comments on: well how you doing dave?
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Painting an empty apartment knock at the door
Ron the elder doing not-at-homes.
Comments on: Well how you doing Dave? Been a long time...then....
And so how are you doing spiritually?
Dave: Well I'm pretty much inactive (as Ron well knows)
Ron goes on to talk about his own experience, jussst about getting caught up in materialism, but realizing, jussst in time, how much time his job was taking away from the "Truth".
Dave reassures. Its not materialism, just a combination of a lot of things.
Ron takes a new tack and says brothers are all imperfect but we must remember it's the "Truth".
He must see some reaction to the word "Truth" in Dave's face because, right away, he says, "Don't tell me you're that far gone".
Dave: It depends how you define "Truth" I guess. Take for example the Generation thing. What you thought was true, what I thought was true, what everyone thought was true, what the WT taught was true.... I guess wasnt really true, was it?
Ron: Well you know the verse about the light getting brighter.
Dave: A lot of the friends would have made different decisions if the WT, the GB, and the speakers at the assemblies hadn't been constantly telling everyone it was the end of the generation and what they should be doing with their lives. W e always thought the Catholics were wrong to believe the Pope was infallible because we all knew he wasn't. T he JWs say they know the GB aren't infallible, but they seem to forget that fact. What's printed in the WT is called the "Truth". What is even worse is if you aren't in complete agreement with what is actually just "current GB understanding" you get kicked out. I remember bro. C. at an elder's meeting, joking about a brother who didn't agree on Sodom and Gomorrah. Instead of waiting on Jehovah to enlighten his organisation, the brother decided to run ahead. He got kicked out, when all he had to do was wait for the organisation to catch up. In the end, the organisation came around to this brothers view. The C.O. laughed about the brother foolishly running ahead but when you really think about it, it was the brother that got kicked out who had the "Truth", don't you think?
Ron: Come on Dave, Gods servants are all imperfect and when they make mistakes they admit it.
Dave: Another example is the King of the North and the King of the South. We used tell everyone the King of the North was the U.S.S.R., and the communists were going to invade and conquer, and sometime after that there'd be Peace and Security. Now the U.S.S.R. doesn't even exist. And peace and security...
Ron: The Society corrected that. Now we know its difficult to pinpoint just who the King of the North is. The new book says we have to wait on events to reveal who the King of the North is.
Dave: Oh, well that's good. That's more like it. Maybe the King of the North will be Bush ha-ha. Instead of getting into conjecture when we are imperfect, fallible men we wait and see. Yeah, that makes more sense. I like that. Because those verse-by-verse explanations of every detail used to really get to me.
Ron: Dave, we never did verse by verse...
Dave: Well I mean like for example the Rev. book. When I used to conduct the study, it bothered me to read that this resolution, and this assembly, and this tract, was prefigured by a seal, or a trumpet call or a pebble etc. And when the sister or the brother answered and I'd say like "exactly" or "right on the point". After all, we all knew it was just current understanding and would probably be changed in a year of two, didn't we?
Ron: Yeah, well we got a new Rev. book now Dave.
Dave: You know I'm a third generation Witness and if you went back to the teaching and the publications in the time of my grandparents, I think you'd be shocked. You probably wouldn't believe JW's were ever taught and believed these "Truths".
Ron: I know, J.D. showed me some of Russell's books he has. Some of it was true, but a lot were some pretty strange ideas. But Dave, you know that God has his faithful servant. And we have the "Truth". And we're all part of God's organisation. And with all the world events we know the end is just around the corner. So aren't you thinking of maybe coming back?
Dave: Well Ron. I won't even try to predict the future because I'd probably end up running ahead. Who would have ever guessed 10 years ago that I'd be in the position I'm in today. So I think the best policy is just to wait and see.
Ron: Well I'd like to encourage you to pray and just remember everyone's imperfect. I got to go now. Others are waiting on me.
Dave: Yeah well good to have seen you.
Ron: Yeah, well don't forget to pray now
I look at my watch 10:23. I pick up my brush and think hey, its coffee time at Tim Hortons.
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Wasting Time In The Ministry--How Did You Do It??
by minimus ini know of a couple of elders that regularly went out in the ministry throughout the week.
no matter which street they were on, they always seemed to be near the same spot.
someone here talked about the michael jackson moonwalk.
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Minimus
Sorry but I guess you weren't the only concerned elder - see, it couldn't have been you cause we used to go to Tim Horton's. BTW all elder chauffeurs believe they are perceived as "loving". Just thought you'd like to know that the pubs. saw right through you and played the service game, but smirked behind your loving backs.