perhaps you recall the instance in the bible where samson made a wager with the philistines that they couldnt guess his riddle.
as it turned out they wheedled the answer out of him by his fiancee, but the point is that they had a wager.
since the underlying assumption of the apostasy is that we are not living in the last days of this system of things, and that this world is not facing anything remotely like the biblical apocalypse, at least not any time soon, in the spirit of such antagonism, i would like to propose a similar wager.
Hey You Know,
does the GB know about the market getting ready to crash?
You better inform them, so they can liquidate their stocks into cold hard cash..
We wouldn't want any of that defense stock money of theirs going belly up on 'em
Oh, nevermind, I forgot the GB has a direct line to Jehovah on this stuff.. If HE hasn't told them to get out of the stock market yet, I can only assume that it ain't gonna crash anytime soon..
.. Waiting on the new light .. <hehehehehehehehe>
wow,.
was just looking at the official watchtower web site and found this:.
when a patient is a jehovah's witness, beyond the matter of choice, conscience comes into the picture.
Wow,
Was just looking at the official watchtower web site and found this:
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When a patient is a Jehovah's Witness, beyond the matter of choice, conscience comes into the picture. One cannot think only of the physician's conscience. What of the patient's? Jehovah's Witnesses view life as God's gift represented by blood. They believe the Bible's command that Christians must "abstain from blood" (Acts 15:28, 29).8 Hence, if a physician paternalistically violated such patients' deep and long-held religious convictions, the result could be tragic. Pope John Paul II has observed that forcing someone to violate his conscience "is the most painful blow inflicted to human dignity. In a certain sense, it is worse than inflicting physical death, or killing."9
It's on the following link talking about blood:
http://www.watchtower.org/library/hb/article_07.htm
Hmmm, quoting Pope John Paul II and talking about "violating conscience" in the same sentence..
Very interesting :-)
Sorry just had to share.. The Hypocrisy just cried out at me <ROFL>
hello all; a question:.
the internet vendor, bethel antiquarian books, publishes a price list of old and rare wt publications, not a few of which cost several hundreds of dollars.. my question is on the strength of demand for such material: who buys these things for such prices, and who sorts out the relative scarcity of each so as to establish a fair market value?
i would love to have a copy of the 1934 yearbook with rutherford's embarassing declaration to hitler, but gag at paying $300 for one.
Just imagine how much an authentic copy of the UN application would be worth? :-)
several issues, such as the un matter and others requiring comments to the press could possibly be better served if there were a small body of qualified individuals, including lawyers and other professionals and others that were former witnesses extremely well versed in jw issues.. comments to media, governments and various organizations on matters such as blood, child custody, child abuse etc would carry more weight coming from an "offical" organization.. in the former jw community there are many with good intentions but often find themselves making inaccurate or unrestrained, poorly worded or overly sensational comments.. these sorts of comments set the former witness community back and sometimes give credence to the labels placed upon us.
on the other hand, well worded, accurate statements made with a knowlege of how the wt pr machine works can effectively tie their hands and force the wt to make changes.. with this in mind, what is the viability of such an association to represent former witnesses?
it need not matter whether one is a christian or athiest or whatever, as the purpose would simply be to comment and investigate and expose wt policy.. i am sure this has been tossed around before.
Why does it have to be a legal organization?
I can see the same talk back in 1879...
We can make a legal organization purporting nothing but simple bible truth :-)
i was wondering if anyone has been wondering what i have been wondering.
it seems to me the wt likes to read the bible and then pick out scriptures to make self-fulfill.
if they for the last 10 years have been a member of the un as an ngo to secretly recieve the benefits of that position, they are also using the current events to further their image as the "true" religion.
Interesting thought..
I'm sure the WT will try every 'spin' tactic they can on this one, but I think that the more press this has, the better..
Bottom line is they claimed it was the wild beast while being secretly associated with the wild beast..
No matter how they try and spin this one away, I think any publicity to that effect will result in ALOT of 'seeds' being planted..
And by they themselves dissasociating with the DPI, they are basically admitting that something is 'wrong' with the association in the first place.. That tooo needs to be publicized..
As long as we can get hard evidence of their voluntary association with the beast, and then hard evidence of their voluntary disassociation with the beast 10 years later, I think no matter how hard they try to spin it, it's still gonna come up a doubght in the mind of the average JW..
just my $.02
as of 11:45 this morning (i had a telphone call this morning with the refernce department person named holly at 212-963-7234), i can tell you that the watchtower has disassociated itself from the united nations dpi!!!!!!.
the dpi is now taking them off the list.
the dpi requested the list removal to be done this morning!!!!!.
Abaddon,
I thought I heard that the Gaurdian did not put the article in print, just on the Internet..
I'm trying to get my hands on an actual newspaper.. Can you tell me where to call to get a copy.. (And which exact day and page it was on)..
Thanks..
good news everyone i am engaged.
mickey67214 (jessica) and i are getting married next spring.
a date has not been set yet, but i will let you know later.
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!
ray franz is a liar, thank god for that, because if he was not...... few bodies of people on this planet have more hope vested in the term truth than the wts.
by this term they divide the world between the living and the dead, the good and the bad, and seek to build the garrotes of exclusivity around their empire.. yet, it has been repeatedly noted that on an individual basis the average jw has, not a respect for truth, but a fear of it.
this is quickly established by asking some of the many embarrassing questions that frequently surface on boards such as this.
Note what a ’76 WT 7/1 stated:
quote:
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Rather, those humbly seeking the truth will be asking questions of the kind that sincere truth-seekers inquired of Jesus.
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Ahh.. There's where your argument goes bad <Toungue in cheek)
That's Old light.. The new light now says that to do any independent thinking is bad... :-)
My guess is that this person hates apostates because somehow someway in the recent past an apostate planted the seed of doubght in his/her head, and he/she cannot get it out!!!!
Well done apostates!!!
10-10-01. mr. oleg dzioubinski.
rm s-1070l.
new york, ny 10017. dear mr. dzioubinski,.
EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!
