Posts by Rattigan350

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Crazy JW urban legend

by Simon in

a sure guarantee that this was bogus (really, any reasoning is required at all?

) was that it did the rounds applied to john denver, annie lennox and others.. basically, they relied on satan (oh yes) for their musical ability (i knew it) and any jws in the audience would be asked to leave because ... (drum roll) ... they blocked the signal to satan so couldn't perform with them present!.

anyone else remember that gem?.

Rattigan350

Viola, these are the episodes that IMDB shows that John Denver was on Carson. When was the date or approximate date that you saw that?

"The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson" (17 episodes ) ... aka "The Best of Carson" - USA (rerun title)

Episode dated 18 August 1972 (18 August 1972) - Himself
Episode dated 19 September 1972 (19 September 1972) - Himself
Episode dated 25 January 1973 (25 January 1973) - Himself
Episode dated 10 January 1974 (10 January 1974) - Himself
Episode dated 11 January 1974 (11 January 1974) - Himself
Episode dated 28 July 1975 (28 July 1975) - Himself - Guest Host
Episode dated 29 July 1975 (29 July 1975) - Himself - Guest Host
Episode dated 27 January 1977 (27 January 1977) - Himself
Episode dated 16 October 1978 (16 October 1978) - Himself - Guest Host
Episode dated 4 May 1982 (4 May 1982) - Himself
Episode dated 26 August 1983 (26 August 1983) - Himself - Guest Host
Episode dated 24 May 1984 (24 May 1984) - Himself
Episode dated 20 December 1984 (20 December 1984) - Himself
Episode dated 29 May 1985 (29 May 1985) - Himself
Episode dated 3 March 1986 (3 March 1986) - Himself
Episode dated 3 December 1987 (3 December 1987) - Himself
Episode dated 19 October 1990 (19 October 1990) - Himself

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Crazy JW urban legend

by Simon in

a sure guarantee that this was bogus (really, any reasoning is required at all?

) was that it did the rounds applied to john denver, annie lennox and others.. basically, they relied on satan (oh yes) for their musical ability (i knew it) and any jws in the audience would be asked to leave because ... (drum roll) ... they blocked the signal to satan so couldn't perform with them present!.

anyone else remember that gem?.

Rattigan350

"When we used to spin records, rumor with teenagers was if you played Stairway to Heaven backwards it said "worship Satan" at a certain spot."

Well, it is true that Stairway has backwards lyrics that say "My sweet Satan". I recorded it digitally and played it back backwards.

But whether the devil put it there is another issue. It is interesting that several purposely put backwards messages sound like gibberish played forward,

but Stairway is understandable both ways, the same with Another One Bites the Dust.

As for Johnny Carson and John Denver, I heard Johnny's maid was a Witness and he liked them because of that.

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DEC 2013 WT Article - Slave for Jehovah - warning: ranting ahead

by ohnightdivine in

jw
friends

this morning's wt study almost made me vomit, stand up, pick up my bag and rush to the door.. of course it never happened.

instead, i was able to make some nice drawings on my tablet and notepad.. if you replace the name jehovah with watchtower, or the governing 8 men, it would really make sense.. what's up with all that nonstop guilt-mongering about education and having a decent job?!.

most people look down on the uneducated, and i remember, when i didn't have a job, nobody cared!.

Rattigan350

"I really regret wasting my gas to attend today's meeting. If I had read the article in advance, I would've known better."

I feel the same way. Many Sundays I don't wake my wife up in time for the meeting. She asks me, "why did you wake me?"

I respond "Because you were sleeping". I really want to say 'I don't want you to waste gas going to the meetings'.

When I go I get magazines and boxes they came in and then put it in my paper recycling bin to take to paper recycling since they pay 2.5 cents per pound for it.

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DEC 2013 WT Article - Slave for Jehovah - warning: ranting ahead

by ohnightdivine in

jw
friends

this morning's wt study almost made me vomit, stand up, pick up my bag and rush to the door.. of course it never happened.

instead, i was able to make some nice drawings on my tablet and notepad.. if you replace the name jehovah with watchtower, or the governing 8 men, it would really make sense.. what's up with all that nonstop guilt-mongering about education and having a decent job?!.

most people look down on the uneducated, and i remember, when i didn't have a job, nobody cared!.

Rattigan350

"I really regret wasting my gas to attend today's meeting. If I had read the article in advance, I would've known better."

I feel the same way. Many Sundays I don't wake my wife up in time for the meeting. She asks me, "why did you wake me?"

I respond "Because you were sleeping". I really want to say 'I don't want you to waste gas going to the meetings'.

When I go I get magazines and boxes they came in and then put it in my paper recycling bin to take to paper recycling since they pay 2.5 cents per pound for it.

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this week's wt study

by thedog1 in

i conducted the wt study tonight on higher education.

i wondered what the reaction of the bros and sis would be.

there was no deviation from the idea that a university education is not a good idea.

Rattigan350

I work 4 out of 5 Sundays, not yesterday. I went with my wife. The meeting was hard to stomach. The speaker talked about disfellowshipped family members and not associating with them. Making a good name with God because someone who lived over 4000 years ago, Nimrod, and is perceived as bad, said they were going to make a name for themselves.

Then the Watchtower was the same propaganda as always. That is all that it is propaganda.

The New World (coincidentally) Encyclopedia defines propaganda as:

Appeal to authority

Argumentum ad nauseam: Uses tireless repetition. An idea once repeated enough times, is taken as the truth. Works best when media sources are limited and controlled by the propagator.

Appeal to fear: Appeals to fear seek to build support by instilling fear in the general population

Demonizing the “enemy”: Projecting a person or idea as the "enemy" through suggestion or false accusations.

And many others. That could a whole thread on this subject.

My wife has the movie Swing Kids and has seen it many times. I try to use that as reasoning.

When Christian Bale's character is lured by the Nazi's giving him a motorcycle, and his accepting their propaganda, shows how JWs like to think that

their getting stuff and going to assemblies is the same way.

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Prepare for meetings??

by Jen1 in

do you prepare for meetings?

if i go i spend a few minutes underlinging my books/watchtower.. i have noticed that those who do the micks especially notice when your stuff is not underlined, and comments are made after the meeting, not so gentle hints, about study and preperation!

in other words i am being told off, its usually the ones who are highly critical of everything i do, sometimes their whole family seems to be straining to see if my stuff is underlined, i know this because i heard the daughter to family wisper her watchtower is not underlined!.

Rattigan350

Many many years ago when I was dating my JW wife, after one meeting she complained that I had not underlined my Watchtower, and that people

notice things like that. I commented, better than others did. I told her that I never write in my books.

That should have been my sign to run from her as it was a sign of a miserable marriage ahead to where someone cares more about what the people think than the reality of a mate.

And she has a million pens of different colors to underline and she spends time before getting dressed on Sunday morning preparing and then makes her and us late. Go Figure.

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Something Is Screwy With WT's New Bible!

by JW GoneBad in

not sure if this has already been brought up.. it appears that the verses in matthew 21:29 and matthew 21:30 have been transposed from one translation to the other.. the 'old' nwt in vs 29 & 30 states:.

'in answer this one said, "i will sir, but did not go out"'.

verse 30 reads: 'approaching the second, he said the same.

Rattigan350

"Offering a new reading in the NWT Revised Edition is no guarantee that the new reading order is correct and the older one is wrong. It's a difficult choice to make for the translator when there are a few options available and not one of them is definite."

Which is exactly the problem with anything non-confirmable before our time.

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Who is the faithful and discreet slave?

by wearewatchingyouman in

when i discuss things with my father regarding whether a governing body is needed for christians one theme that is constant with him is "if it's not the gb who is the faithful and discreet slave - who else is giving food in these days to god's people?".

i've been working on a response to this for the last couple of months and am just curious as to who christians who are ex-witnesses interpret the faithful and discreet slave to be, and the parable in general.. .

i guess i'm just looking to round out my argument and have a few different angles.

Rattigan350

"who else is giving food in these days to God's people?""

Why do we need food at all? Then the response would be, that we need physical food to live.

Jesus' sacrifice atones for our sins. Not food based.

My problem is that they base everything on one scripture, which we don't know they full context. There may be more or less

that Jesus said about that.

Should we care about what the master says more than what a slave says?

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My little guy asked me why I don't go to the meetings

by SnailsPace2 in

i just wanted to share a cute story about my 6 year old.

he has been asking me why i haven't been going to the meetings recently.

i couldn't avoid it any longer so i sat down with him and told him that mommy has learned some things from the bible that is different from what the meetings teach.

Rattigan350

So your answer was to lie to him?

"some things that are said at the meetings isn't from the Bible but 8 men who live in New York City made it up"

That is not true. And that is not the reason to not go to meetings.

What is taught there is true. The problem is that the purpose of what is taught there is focus on them to where our lives mean nothing. They have a tract or invitation campaign and people quit jobs and give up overtime and education to do that. Thus they are simply deliveryboys.

The theory is that people doing what is right by Christian standard will survive armageddon. But what happens to those who die at armageddon? They are dead, unconscious. But then so are all of those who died for the past 6000 years. So they are spending all of their conscious time now so as to not be unconscious in the future by that event. Those who died will be resurrected. Why can't we spend our time enjoying life now and survive Armageddon. And is better than or. I don't think that God will punish people for wanting to live above poverty and not be focused on meetings and field service. Organizational things are all about the organization.

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Have JWs and other Christians completely missed the point of Matthew 24:4-8?

by Island Man in

many people think those verses are suggesting that the wars, earthquakes, food shortages, etc are all a sign that the end is imminent.

however, a careful examination of the context seems to suggest that jesus was actually forewarning his followers not to draw such a conclusion from such events.

see this interesting article on the subject:.

Rattigan350

To ask whether anyone missed the point, one must know the point as a reference.

What makes your reference any better than anyone elses?