Posts by Tameria2001

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If shunning were no longer a JW policy, how many would leave the Org?

by HiddenPimo in

additionally - if this shunning rule was removed and everyone was made aware of the dirty secrets of the org.. (e.g.

csa-arc / un membership / malawi - mexico contrast / etc.).

would those leaving be higher?.

Tameria2001

I feel that even if the Watchtower ceased today, and the JWs were no longer a religion, a large number of them would still shun their fellow humans. I've seen this with former witnesses who actually was shunning other former JWs.

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Why do some JWs love seeing others get disfellowshipped?

by Tameria2001 in

i'm not sure how many in the organization is like this, but there some jws who love seeing others get disfellowshipped, and my father-in-law is one of those.

he became a jw because he loved the idea of being the head of the household, and lording it over his family.

as a jw he is very hypocritical, my husband would tell stories of how they would celebrate christmas until his mother-in-law called him on it.

Tameria2001

I'm not sure how many in the organization is like this, but there some JWs who love seeing others get disfellowshipped, and my father-in-law is one of those. He became a JW because he loved the idea of being the head of the household, and lording it over his family. As a JW he is very hypocritical, my husband would tell stories of how they would celebrate Christmas until his mother-in-law called him on it. She was not a JW, but a witch, and I don't mean that in a bad term, but an actual witch. He nearly lost his children due to abuse, he would take cigarettes and put them out on my husband's back (when he was a baby). Now mind you he did not smoke, he just bought them to do this horrible deed. That all stopped when the same woman put a gun in his mouth and told him if he laid another finger on her grandson, she would pull the trigger, and you did not mess with this woman. To this day my husband still has the scars to prove it, but I learned this through his aunts. Eventually, my husband's grandmother paid for her grandson to learn martial arts so he could defend himself from his father.

When my husband was around 4 his dad became a JW, and eventually, he became an elder. When this man was a ministerial servant, my husband was around 16 when this happened. His father allowed a fellow witness, a brother, who was having some finical difficulties move in with him and his family. While he was not around, this "brother" would make advances to my mother-in-law. She informed her husband that he needed to get that "brother" out of the house, but he flat out refused. Eventually, the man worked his charms on her, and they kissed, and he did touch her chest. At that moment something clicked, and she made him stop. She told her husband about it, and that she was deeply sorry for what had happened. One other thing, she only had this moment of weakness because her mother was recently murdered by her father. He shot her multiple times, right in front of her sister, and a couple of months after that her younger brother died from brain cancer.

My husband said his dad called up the elders and informed them what had happened, and he actually pushed for his wife to be disfellowshipped. Then after that, my husband told me that they moved into a congregation (in the same town) that was very snooty. It was pure hell on his mother and his siblings. His mother was reinstated one year later, personally, if it were me I would have told him to F off.

Now fast forward 12 years later, my husband has a moment of weakness that would normally be a disfellowshipping matter. Like his mother, he came clean about it with me. I was not sure how to deal with the situation and thought that the elders would help us through this issue. You all know that's what they tell everyone, and I was gullible enough at the time to believe that crap. So before going to the elders my husband and I talked about it, and we went to see them together. Before all this, I had talked to my mother, but that was a huge mistake because that was when I learned how big of gossip she is, and because of this my father-in-law found out. Now mind you, neither of these people live in the same circuit as us.

The judicial committee talked to me about this, and since no one else in the congregation knew of the matter, and that my husband came clean right way, and I was willing to forgive him, they decided on a private reproof. As a result, two things also happened, my mother's local body of elders (in a different state) told her that if she did not stop she would find herself getting disfellowshipped. And my husband father, who was an elder by now, was pushing hard to have his son disfellowshipped. Our local body of elders told him that it was none of his concern and that he did not stop, he too would find himself in the hot seat as well. They were involved in my husband's mother's case.

Why do some JWs love seeing others get disfellowshipped?

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How do you talk about your adult children, who is getting ready to royally screw up things

by Tameria2001 in

i have two sons, both in their 20's.

the youngest son has it all figured out, and he is doing great, but my older son (2 years older than his brother) well that is a totally different story.. my eldest has always wanted to do things the hard way, and he has always been this way.

my husband and i done our best to guide them when they were younger, but we ultimately let them make their own decision in the matter, whatever ever it might have been.

Tameria2001

I have two sons, both in their 20's. The youngest son has it all figured out, and he is doing great, but my older son (2 years older than his brother) well that is a totally different story.

My eldest has always wanted to do things the hard way, and he has always been this way. My husband and I done our best to guide them when they were younger, but we ultimately let them make their own decision in the matter, whatever ever it might have been. When it came to romance we pretty much stayed out of it, unless he came to us for advice, but the end decision was his own.

But his wife has come to us about some serious issues that are going on between the two of them. I won't go into the details of the matter, but it is getting so bad that she is seriously thinking about divorcing him. They also have a six-month-old son. I asked her if she thought about going to a marriage counselor. She has asked him about this, but he told her that he will flat out refuse to talk to a stranger. She did say that he talked to his best friend about some private matters, and his friend told him that he was in the wrong, and he needed to apologize to his wife about it. He has never apologized to her about anything. I'm not sure where he got that from because we did not raise him up to be like this.

I'm not sure if there is anything that his father or I can say to him to get his head out of his @$$, but I would hate for him to destroy his family. At this point in time, his wife is still willing to work things out, but her husband needs to stop doing what he is doing. Any suggestions on what we can say to our son, that will at least get him to think about what he is doing.

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How have so many been fooled into thinking and believing it’s acceptable for a child to make a vow to serve Jehovah till the day they die?

by BourneIdentity in

when ….. you need to be 15 to obtain your drivers permit.

you need to be 16 to obtain your drivers license.

you need to be 17 to watch a r rated movie (alone without a parent).

Tameria2001

I'm not exactly sure of the wording, but no one under the age of 18 can be bound to a legal agreement or something like that.

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"ToMo3's liquor purchase video actually PROVES Jehovah's direction!"

by stuckinarut2 in

ok, so i played the game of putting on my jw apologetic cap for a moment, and thought of how a devout jw could rationalize this whole liquor buying situation.. they could say:.

"this actually proves that jehovah is guiding his organization!!

he was bringing this activity of tomo3 to light, and it would also prove to be a loyalty test for all jws, to see if they would be stumbled right out of the truth!".

Tameria2001

Might be the case, but then one could turn around and use the scripture at Luke 17:2 It would be more advantageous for him if a millstone were hung from his neck and he were thrown into the sea than for him to stumble one of these little ones.

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Suicide; and Jehovahs Witnesses

by zeb in

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as one who has been personally affected by suicide i read just now of a posting here today the tragic note being "my bridesmaid hanged herself" which we gather she had been shunned... well over the past many months we have seen a library of information, which continues to grow, on the sex abuse saga and most recently the revelations with a myriad of escape clauses a new 'policy' pulled like teeth from the wt on that matter.

this piece of prose is made available to any jw who requests it so the wt says.

it is well revealed out of the carc that the % of abuse in the wt world is higher than outside it.. this brings me to the matter of suicide.. .

Tameria2001

A few years back I knew a couple of active JWs who committed suicide, and it was a real shock when the news made it way around. The first was in a small town called Gas, Kansas, I don't recall the exact year but it was before I was married, so the very early 1990s. I had briefly met an elder from that congregation when I went to help build their kingdom hall, at the time I was a member of the Kansas Electrical Crew. I don't remember his name anymore. He seemed like a good fellow, good-natured, but then again I really didn't know him other than those four days I was there. Then a short time later, while he was at work, four men broke into his home and beat his wife to death (I had heard it was baseball bats.) By the time he returned home his wife was dead, and the criminals were gone. There were quite a few rumors floating around, including that he was behind her murder. He was eventually cleared of all charges and released. I don't know if he had made it to her funeral or not, but I was told he wasn't able to make it to her funeral. The first opportunity he was able he went out to her grave and by using a gun killed himself.

The second was someone that my husband knew very well, in Joplin Missouri. He was married and had two young school-age children. He waited till his wife and children left then hung himself in their home. It was his wife who discovered his body. My husband said that he was dealing with depression. My husband also told me that this person's father had also killed himself years before. I got the impression that his father was a JW as well because my husband said that family was something like the fourth generation witnesses.

When I was 16, I nearly took my own life, because of dealing with years of abuse, it just took me a while to work up the nerve to try it. I didn't like the idea of hurting myself or screwing up and permanently maiming myself so I decided to go the route of overdosing on pills. It was my baby sister who found me, and she alerted our parents. I was rushed to the ER and had my stomach pumped. Afterward, they did a complete workup on my blood to see if there was anything else going on, and there was. To make a long story short, attempting and failing at suicide actually saved my life. They had found that I was totally depleted potassium, and it was a matter of days before that would have killed me.

I took all this as a learning lesson, and with my knowledge, I actually prevented two suicides because I had recognized from my own pain and the signs they had given off. The first was a friend in school, she was not a JW, but was going through her own issues. And the second was my husband, and that was a very trying time because he wanted to wait until I left to do something before ending his life. There was a couple of times I had to take care of a few errands, but I didn't leave him alone. I had to have someone watch over him, and he was trying his best to get the other person to leave. My husband's issues at the time were temporary, and he sees that now, and he is very grateful that I cared enough and knew what to look out for. A good portion of his problem at the time was his parents, and siblings - all JWs who made him feel like he was a worthless piece of cr@p, and that was before we left the Watchtower. I am fairly sure that if we had stayed in that cult, he would have eventually found a way to end his life. I honestly feel that leaving the JWs saved my husband life, and made him want to enjoy the things that life has to offers, such as his children and me.

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Dating question from a bible student

by Biblestudent1 in

i have done bible study for about four months now.

the married couple who do it with me are lovely.

i have attended meetings for about two months.

Tameria2001

Sorry, I didn't know they baited 6-year-olds to take the dunk. The youngest knew was 8.

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Question

by asp59 in

i just wonder about reasoning in this organization.

if you have arrangement that is not working and gods chariot has moved on.

and you have told every one there is only a biblical generation to do things.

Tameria2001

It's simple - power and money. The longer they can keep those and keep it coming in, nothing is going to change. Once a JW finally starts thinking, and ask honest questions they are accused of apostasy. If they don't shut up about it they are kicked out. That's where their shunning comes into play because once a person is kicked out of that cult, everyone is to not speak to that person until they see the error of their ways, and come back, that is if they are even allowed to return to the fold. One of the famous sayings that J.F. Rutherford would say is that religion is a snare and a racket, and I strongly believe that he was including the Watchtower in that.

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Dating question from a bible student

by Biblestudent1 in

i have done bible study for about four months now.

the married couple who do it with me are lovely.

i have attended meetings for about two months.

Tameria2001

I just want to say something as well. I don't know if anyone has discussed with you their shunning practice for those who leave regardless of the situation. Let's say you get baptized as a Jehovah's Witness, get married to this girl, and then you two have children. Later on in your marriage, if you decide to have children, and the Watchtower highly discourages this by telling their members to wait till the New System of Things, or something very similar. In short, they want their members to wait till after Armageddon to start their family. Some wait, but many do have children.

Now you and your wife decide to have a family, either it is through a decision to do so or a happy little accident. One thing everyone will be pressuring that child when they are older to get baptized. Some children are as young as 8 years old, I was 17 when I was baptized. Once they get baptized they will be under the same rules as the adults, and they can get disfellowshipped if they have done some wrongdoing in the eyes of the religion, or some other form of discipline from the elders. Without their parents with them, they will have to face 3 elders in a judicial committee. As everyone knows teens can get quite rebellious, it's normal, because they are at a life stage they are trying to figure out who they are. Now if they have been baptized before this they will have to face the consequences, and it is quite harsh. If your child decides they don't want to be a Jehovah's Witness or is kicked out, aka, disfellowshipped or disassociated, you will be forced to shun them and treat them as if they have died. And if you decide you don't want to do this, you will face the elders in your decision to keep your children involved in your life.

Jehovah's Witness WILL NOT tell you this UNTIL after you are baptized. Oh and one other thing, they call this a "Loving Provision", so they can see the errors of their way and want to come back to Jehovah's Organization. I read somewhere that 2/3 that leaves or is kicked out don't ever come back.

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Jehovah's Witnesses = Satan's Organization.

by Finkelstein in

after some close scrutiny of the jws religion in its history and its associated organization the ibsa.

we can see a lot problems particularly regarding truthful and accurate bible interpretations.. there are a lot reasons for that, one being that the original builders of the these organizations were not academically trained bible theologians, they got their bible teaching theology from other novices.. .

what they did acquire was something they thought would be advantageous for the proliferation of literature and maybe build up some their own self adoration in the process.. they gave public talks on how christ has returned via by dating the measurements of a pyramid in egypt and supported their findings by quoting certain scriptures in the bible.. well they succeeded, c russell grew fame and popularity by his talks and books which displayed his dating calculation.. jesus has returned and new world order was about to commence.

Tameria2001

When I sent my letter of disassociation my local elders, they came by to make sure I wrote that letter. I told them I did and brought up part of what you mentioned about being false prophets and the date setting. One of them actually told me before he left that I was correct, and bid me a good day.