Captives of a concept comes to mind.
Did she needs to be a member of the organization WTBTS to be SAVED?
If she understands that question enough to see how irrelevant being a member of the organization really means.
Allow her to proceed.
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Daughter joining JW
by gary inmy fifty year-old daughter is studying to be a jehovah witness.
i am her catholics father.
just wondering because they are not allowed to associate with worldly people.
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Personification does not prove personality
by Longlivetherenegades ininsight book page 1019 volume 2. personification does not prove personality.. this is seen in the explanation given regarding jesus using he for the holy spirit.
that the holy spirit is said to do so many things like hearing, receiving speaking does not prove that holy spirit is a personality.
on that same page proverbs 8:1-36 was cited.
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Longlivetherenegades
Insight book page 1019 volume 2
Personification does not prove personality.
This is seen in the explanation given regarding Jesus using HE for the holy spirit. That the holy spirit is said to do so many things like hearing, receiving speaking does not prove that holy spirit is a personality.
On that same page Proverbs 8:1-36 was cited. The JW believes this account is talking about Jesus in his pre-existennce despite stating under the Jesus part of the the insight book that wisdom is personified and feminine. Insight book..... Page 52 Volume 2/ page 1019 volume 2
In summary
1. Personification does not prove personality for HOLY SPIRIT
2. Personification does prove personality for Jesus Christ
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PIMO elder
by Reservations ini’m reservations, pimo elder.
i’m in no position to leave the organisation, maybe some people will see that as weak or whatever, but we have to all go down our own path in life.. i would like to be able to wake people up in my congregation, how do you think best to do this?
any ideas?.
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@ Biahi
It will sound like Nazi Germany considering the new message from Mr David about words from APOSTATES being POISONOUS that must be rejected without tasting. The PIMO elder should watch his back. Their alertness have been raised again towards APOSTATES/ non conformist who undermine the power of the GB
The interesting thing here is recent medicinal practice is adopting use of POISONS as MEDICINES.
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PIMO elder
by Reservations ini’m reservations, pimo elder.
i’m in no position to leave the organisation, maybe some people will see that as weak or whatever, but we have to all go down our own path in life.. i would like to be able to wake people up in my congregation, how do you think best to do this?
any ideas?.
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Whatever you do like others have said, no good or clean way of getting out.
Even as highly influential Raymond Franz was, he said his books are not made to get people out of the organization. It is more like, they will get out when their own time comes.
I always see THOSE wanting to leaving the ORGANIZATION as being on a LONG QUEUE. You are on the QUEUE when it gets to your turn, you will either drop the resignation letter, fade, disfellowshipped or disassociate.
Despite how close I was with a number of those within the congregation, sometimes reasoning with them both during meetings, field service, normal gatherings on some of the beliefs that call the organization being JEHOVAH'S organisation into question none ever asked me or seek clarification personally from me up till today the reason I decided to disassociate.
how do you think best to do this? Any ideas?
My advice is to watch out for the thought police(not limited to the elders, Ms but it extends to their wives, children and every other member of the congregation)
They will get you if you are not careful and in the will to get members woken up you will be brutally exited from the organization and the efforts and good standing all these years goes into the drain and get thrown under the bus. Watch your back. The Informant mechanism is always in place.
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Why wasn’t O’Donnell charged with receiving stolen goods.
by joe134cd infirstly i appreciate the work mark o’donnell does for the xjw community.
no doubt this has also been discussed numerous times before.
but with regard to those documents that were illegally stolen in that vice documentary.
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joe134cd here you are.....
the reason why the wt did not make the "complaint" for the "theft" of confidential documents, is because those documents were taken from within the database of the sectarian corporation WT, that is the answer to the Big question of why Mark O'Donnell or others were not charged. Don't forget that ex jw friends.
You can equally just copy on Google translate and you get the translation.
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9 Year Old Used Basic Logic And Came To An "Apostate" Conclusion
by pistolpete inrelated experience;.
basically what happened is my mom was studying with my 9 year old sibling and they were talking about the paradise.
my sibling then proceeded to ask, in a clearly joking way, "what if jehovah was tricking us and we don't go to paradise?
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What is impossible with men is possible with God.
With God all things are possible. Lying is not a thing, I guess?
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If all GB members died at once?
by Jofi_Wofo ini don't suppose anyone knows for sure, but do we have any kind of hint of what would happen if all of the governing body members died at the same time- such that nobody was left to appoint successors?
in lieu of any solid evidence, i'd also be interested in hearing some speculation based on what we already know about the organizational structure.. it would certainly throw a wrench in either the teaching that the faithful and discreet slave will survive into the great tribulation and/or the implied doctrine that the the gb succession arrangement is justifiable biblically.
let me firmly disclaim any implication that i am encouraging violence or wishing death on the governing body.
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Helpers to the GB members will take over. An article on this year 2019
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STUDY ARTICLE When a Loved One Leaves Jehovah
by RULES & REGULATIONS inthe watchtower—study edition | september 2021. study article 39. when a loved one leaves jehovah.
2 think how heartbroken jehovah must have been when members of his own angelic family turned their back on him!
(jude 6) and imagine how hurt he was at seeing his beloved people, the israelites, rebel against him time and again.
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We must personally decides whether we will serve Jehovah. Looooool! Leaving a religious organization by writing a resignation or disassociation letter equates to leaving Jehovah. This Jehovah is a property of a religious establishment headquartered somewhere in North America.
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For Witnesses Who Want To Leave Fade, Disassociate or Get Disfellowshipped?
by minimus inmy opinion is if possible fading is the best way to go..
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Longlivetherenegades
This has been repeatedly discussed over and over again. There is never a best way to leave. Everyone will carry his or her own load when the time arrives.
I know there are members who have little or no benefit from their membership for certain number of years. These ones when they DA it is as good as nothing to lose.
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Statements or Comments Made By JWs That Were WRONG
by minimus injehovah’s witnesses claim to be the only religion that has the truth.
they claim to be representing god himself.
can you think of anything that you could use to prove that the witnesses do not have the truth?.
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@ Atlantis
Not only are they wrong at what you highlighted up there, they equally lied about it. They give explanation for only inactive witnesses not really for those "no longer used to".