Saintbertholdt

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  Question for Cofty about God and Bible defences

  by slimboyfat in

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  2. bible

  i thought about sending you a pm but it might make an interesting open discussion.

  i've seen you express the lack of good pro-god ex-witnesses to engage with.

  i don't know about ex-witnesses, but there are a few witnesses who've written on these issues.

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  Saintbertholdt

  Can you tell me does the first link work?

  Nope. Here's another link to it: http://www.chronosynchro.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/Dating-the-Deluge.pdf

  Anyhoo just on the surface Gertoux bites off a lot and then tries to chew. According to Gertoux not only is the accepted Archaeological and Geological chronology totally incorrect, but he also takes the odd swing at evolution. All the while using the Watchtower chronology as his guiding and shining light:

  For example, remember this out of the old aid book?

  

  Arguing with Gertoux would be similar to the suffering that many Atheists had to endure when they had to sit through the seven DVD's of Kent Hovind and then had to construct not only the rebuttal but the absolute demolition of his arguments (which continues to this very day).

  One would have to take his arguments one at a time... Blegh :(
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  I never understood field service...

  by Joliette in

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  2. friends

  it was always boring, and i was afraid that i was gonna get attacked by a dog.

  i actually almost got attacked by a rottweiler once.

  i didnt get paid for it, nobody listened to us, i actually had guys make passes at me while i was out doing street corner, i was always afraid i would get grouped and raped.

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  Saintbertholdt

  One day on field service a guy shot me behind the ear with a BB gun. LOL

  One day on field service I met an old Nazi who had been indoctrinated by the Hitler youth in his teens. It was a strange encounter and he was still a Nazi bastard.

  One day on field service I encountered a single mother and young toddler at her apartment. I recognized her immediately. A couple of years before we had had a wild fling (this was before I became a JW). And there I was, clean cut, trying to sell her on morality. hehe
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  Feeling rejected

  by Esmeralda001 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  just a little disclaimer: english isn't my first language (i'm from france) thus the poor writing skills.here is the situation: i'm not a jw.

  however, i'm in the process of becoming one.

  in fact, i'm studying with the jw's, and i'll proceed to become an unbaptized publisher as soon as i finish the first book.to make a long story short i was introduced to the truth when i was 18een.

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  Saintbertholdt

  Hi Esmeralda001,

  Two things:

  1. You can't be friends with everyone and some people will hate you just because they can. In this "elderette's" case I suspect its a case of envy.

  2. Carefully consider your involvement with the Jehovah's Witness religion. The shunning you are experiencing from this particular sister and her family will be multiplied one hundred fold if you ever decide to leave.

  Good luck with your medical degree and I sincerely hope that you don't join the Jehovah's Witnesses.
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  Could trends and group think be evidence of a form of telepathy?

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. social
  2. current

  i was thinking the other day about trends.

  think back over the decades and how generally the majority of people will feel or like or dislike the same things.

  people comment how awful and ugly things that trended in the past were.

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  Saintbertholdt

  Some days ago i watched a programme where the bird flight was mentioned. As far as i remember the bird flight is based on three simple natural principles, 1. Remain in the band, 2. Keep distance,

  http://black-square.github.io/BirdFlock/

  https://github.com/black-square/BirdFlock/releases/tag/v1.0.0

  Oh also see, cellular automata for simple rules generating complex behavior.
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  Could trends and group think be evidence of a form of telepathy?

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. social
  2. current

  i was thinking the other day about trends.

  think back over the decades and how generally the majority of people will feel or like or dislike the same things.

  people comment how awful and ugly things that trended in the past were.

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  Saintbertholdt

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Consciousness_Project
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  The Exodus confirmed..

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for those of you that don't research this stuff i will give a little back story.

  we all know about the moses exodus, but history and archeology didn't seem to confirm this event.

  the only exodus out of egypt ever recorded was that of a group of asiatic tribes that had taken over egypt for a bit over 100 years called the hyksos and the followers of the pharaoh akhenaten who perpetuated a monotheistic idea of worshiping only one deity the aten.

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  Ahmose I is the pharaoh that drove out the Hyksos many years before the reign of Ramesses II.

  I get that the writer argues that its a conflagration/distorted memory of historical events that conspire to make up the mythology of the exodus. However I also got the gist that a specific exodus of sorts occurred... Or am I wrong?

  Although the Hyksos were not the Hebrews, and in fact lived a very long time before the earliest Hebrews, they were nonetheless Semitic peoples. They were violently expelled from Egypt around 1550 BCE by Ahmose I, but this itself could’ve been a distorted memory of Semitic peoples fleeing Egypt.
  

  ...The fact is, as I intimated earlier, we can find no evidence for the existence of Israel prior to the end of the Bronze Age (c. 1200 BCE). For this we can turn to the king called Baenre-merynetjeru Merneptah hotep-her-maat (1212-1201 BCE), the son and successor of Ramesses II. Merneptah was the first Egyptian pharaoh to drive out incursions of the Sea Peoples, with their Libyan allies.

  ...This earliest mention of Israel, by the way, has led some scholars to argue that Merneptah was the pharaoh of Exodus. They represent a minority, however: most still argue in favor of Ramesses II.
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  The Dead Generation (Monty Python Spoof)

  by Scully in

  1. social
  2. humour

  the dead generation.

  gbm: "no it isn't".

  jw: "yes it is, look at it!

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  Saintbertholdt

  
  

  
  

  And now for something completely different:

  

  
  
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  The Exodus confirmed..

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for those of you that don't research this stuff i will give a little back story.

  we all know about the moses exodus, but history and archeology didn't seem to confirm this event.

  the only exodus out of egypt ever recorded was that of a group of asiatic tribes that had taken over egypt for a bit over 100 years called the hyksos and the followers of the pharaoh akhenaten who perpetuated a monotheistic idea of worshiping only one deity the aten.

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  Saintbertholdt

  The article refers to Bob Brier and he has always maintained it was the Reed Sea. He's a great archaeologist.

  So the article mainly argues for Ramses II's successor as the Pharaoh during the exodus.

  I have no particular opinion on this.

  Anyone?
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  I am a Sceptical Rationalist, and an Atheist, yet I have Faith !

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i lead an evidence based life, in that, if i have to make a decision over buying something, or a certain course of action, i will look at the evidence.. if someone tells me something is true, i examine the evidence, using critical thinking skills.. and yet i have faith, not faith as some have, believing that something is true without satisfactory evidence, but i have faith that all humans are of equal value, that the right way to live is doing the most good and the least harm, that love is better than hate, that peace is better than war.. so, i am a sceptical, rational,humanist, atheistic person of faith..

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  I think that deserves an Amen...So AMEN!
  
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  JWs, UFO's, demons, and the book "The Dark Gods"

  by MikeHammer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been looking into this issue that (many/most/all/etc) ufos are caused by demons as seems to be said by jws.

  some time ago when i browsed this site i read a posting where someone recommended a book titled "the dark gods" by roberts and gilbertson (here is a link to the book at amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/dark-gods-anthony-roberts/dp/009138771x).. besides that one there are a couple of other books that i have checked (one of these is "operation trojan horse" by john keel and the other one is "a guide to the paranormal" by magnus raven).

  both of these say the same thing although they approach this issue from different directions.. looking at the amazon reviews for "the dark gods" it looks like it also says the same thing but the book is out of print.

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  Saintbertholdt

  Speaking of Mike Hammer,, from Kiss Me Deadly (1955)

  Friday: Who are you?

  Mike Hammer: Who am I? Who are you?

  Friday: I'm Friday. I'd have been named Tuesday if I'd been born on Tuesday. I'm Carl's sister, half-sister. Same mother, different father. You know, you're not like the others - Carl's friends, I mean.

  Mike Hammer: Maybe that's because I'm not his friend.

  Friday: Oh, wonderful. Then you can be my friend, all mine; nothing to do with Carl.