Question for Cofty about God and Bible defences

by slimboyfat 19 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  slimboyfat

  I thought about sending you a PM but it might make an interesting open discussion.

  I've seen you express the lack of good pro-God ex-Witnesses to engage with. I don't know about ex-Witnesses, but there are a few Witnesses who've written on these issues. I wonder if you've come across them and if you could comment on how you find the quality of their arguments.

  At the moment we've got Gerard Gertoux for example defending the biblical flood (I hope the link works without having to join the site):

  http://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.edu.documents/30893239/Dating-the-Deluge.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ56TQJRTWSMTNPEA&Expires=1449141535&Signature=j29HB6Q6Wv2GVEwq1V041DFHvXM%3D&response-content-disposition=attachment%3B%20filename%3DDating_the_Deluge.pdf

  James Steward has long written and continues to write on similar themes on his website:

  http://jimspace3000.blogspot.co.uk

  Hal Flemings wrote a more general defence of theism published by University Press of America:

  http://www.amazon.com/Philosophical-Scientific-Theological-Defense-Notion/dp/0761826475/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1449138922&sr=8-1&keywords=Hal+Flemings

  And various Witnesses contributed appendices to his book on the Bible defending science in the Bible.

  http://www.amazon.com/Examining-Criticisms-Bible-Hal-Flemings/dp/1434328031/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1449138922&sr=8-2&keywords=Hal+Flemings

  Have you come across these? What do you think?
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  slimboyfat

  Comments from anyone else welcome too of course. It's just Cofty is the biggest anti-theist around.
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  Tenacious

  Let's wait for cofty and his rebuttal. Heck, we might get a bonus and get Viv as well.
  
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  slimboyfat

  Is Viv the new big beast on the block? I'm still getting up to speed.

  Can you tell me does the first link work?
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  Magnum

  First link does not work for me.
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  slimboyfat

  Ah that's a shame, thanks. Anyone who wants to see it may need to join academia.edu. Which might be good idea anyway - some interesting stuff on there.
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  slimboyfat

  It's a document called "Dating the Deluge" by Gerard Gertoux. Maybe a search will find it.
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  slimboyfat

  Gertoux's physical book on the topic is a bit pricey.

  http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1329631145/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?qid=1449149204&sr=8-3&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=gerard+gertoux&dpPl=1&dpID=41nEChGff-L&ref=plSrch
  
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  Saintbertholdt

  Can you tell me does the first link work?

  Nope. Here's another link to it: http://www.chronosynchro.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/Dating-the-Deluge.pdf

  Anyhoo just on the surface Gertoux bites off a lot and then tries to chew. According to Gertoux not only is the accepted Archaeological and Geological chronology totally incorrect, but he also takes the odd swing at evolution. All the while using the Watchtower chronology as his guiding and shining light:

  For example, remember this out of the old aid book?

  

  Arguing with Gertoux would be similar to the suffering that many Atheists had to endure when they had to sit through the seven DVD's of Kent Hovind and then had to construct not only the rebuttal but the absolute demolition of his arguments (which continues to this very day).

  One would have to take his arguments one at a time... Blegh :(
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  slimboyfat

  Thanks!

  Yeah Gertoux is not shy about tackling disparate subjects in multiple disciplines.