Posts by Apognophos

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What Was Your Body of Elders Like?

by minimus in

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were they pretty much a good group of men?

we're they jerks?.

Apognophos

The congregation I grew up in had a well-liked elder body. They seemed like upright guys. The congregation was squeaky-clean, so it's hard for me to know if they were strict or not, because very little ever happened that warranted a JC. It's probably a large part of why it took so long for me to start seeing the cracks in the foundation of the religion, because the congregation was so pleasant. The BOE was also maybe 50% Bethelites, so everything was kept in shipshape and the brothers had a perfect orthodox understanding of all the doctrines.

Then I moved somewhere further from the headquarters, and that BOE seemed like it was 50% good old boys who didn't have much of a clue what they were doing. Any whispering among publishers to the effect that they were not doing their job properly was met with self-righteous rebukes from the elders, and at least one marking talk.

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Genuine repentance - if you can fake that you'll avoid getting disfellowshipped

by slimboyfat in

to paraphrase a well known saying.

is it true, in a judicial committee, if you can fake repentance, then they are likely to let you off being disfellowshipped, almost regardless of the "severity" of the sin involved?

can former elders and perhaps victims of the process shed light on the matter?

Apognophos

You know what's interesting about the lack of mercy being shown in many DFing stories we've heard on JWN? When someone at a company screws up and the screw-up is known publicly, the company often fires them just to avoid controversy. Sometimes they didn't even mess up badly, but someone complained that they said something offensive. Doesn't matter, they're gone, and the company is already washing their hands of the incident. It's a way for them to "make a statement" about where they stand on something, in order to save face. Now, if someone only screws up privately, well... we've all worked at companies where there's a guy who perpetually screws up everything he touches, and everyone internal to the company knows it, and somehow he still holds onto his job.

So then we have the judicial situation at the Kingdom Hall: if you screw up and it's not widely publicized, you get reproved privately, or at worst publicly, and lose some privileges for a while. Not a big deal. If what you did is in the local newspaper, well, you're pretty much up Disfellowshipping Creek without a paddle. Anyone else see any similarities? Not only Jesus, but even Chuck Russell would be spinning in his grave to find out that the religious movement he founded now works just like a compassionless corporation that treats its members as expendable resources.

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Active JW's and JW Lurkers- Especially JW Defenders and Believers: A Few Questions For You

by OnTheWayOut in

while there are not too many currently defending the watchtower in this discussion forum, it happens from time to time.

and quite often, there may be new people and lurkers reading these discussions.

i just wanted you to ponder these questions.

Apognophos

Sorry you feel I have a "Tourette Syndrome"

There's no "feel" about it, you're spraying trash talk all over the forum for no reason. Have you any idea how much some of the people on here have suffered? Any idea at all? And yet you're one of the few people actually swearing and using juvenile insults. They're coping like adults, and you're not.

My whole family is tore apart by one J-Dub Club Bitch......So sorry if I may come across a little less "Cheery"

You don't like your daughter-in-law. We get it already. Guess what? Your son loves her or he wouldn't have married her. I don't care if you think she's a "devil" or a "bitch". I'm surprised you think any of what you're posting is acceptable.

My son didn't CHOOSE to join........................I'ts a BRAIN WASH/CULT. He's been pulled in. I guess you haven't figured that out yet.

Can you provide a citation of a psychology study to prove that brainwashing exists? Your son joined the religion in order to clean up his life, and maybe his wife-to-be also drew him in. I see no coercion there.

You should already know Simon is a Moderator.

Incorrect. He's the administrator. Normally admins use mods to manage the forum. I assume he still has a team of moderators, if they all haven't quit on him by now, and I was simply wishing out loud that I knew their names.

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Active JW's and JW Lurkers- Especially JW Defenders and Believers: A Few Questions For You

by OnTheWayOut in

while there are not too many currently defending the watchtower in this discussion forum, it happens from time to time.

and quite often, there may be new people and lurkers reading these discussions.

i just wanted you to ponder these questions.

Apognophos

His son chose to join the religion. Four years ago. Well, we've all got crap to deal with because of this religion, and some of us have had people actually die because of it. J-DUBBED can keep himself under control, he doesn't need anyone making excuses for him. If I knew who the hell moderates around here now, I would have PMed them instead of saying something.

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Media request to record/broadcast oral argument; from ABC News New York

by Londo111 in

http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=2025979&doc_no=a136641.

see last item:.

"media request to record/broadcast oral argument; from abc news new york".

Apognophos

There's plenty of blame to go around, guys. Why does it all need to be on the elders?

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Active JW's and JW Lurkers- Especially JW Defenders and Believers: A Few Questions For You

by OnTheWayOut in

while there are not too many currently defending the watchtower in this discussion forum, it happens from time to time.

and quite often, there may be new people and lurkers reading these discussions.

i just wanted you to ponder these questions.

Apognophos

Just because you're here on a forum that is mostly composed of ex-Witnesses, that doesn't mean you get to repeatedly break rules 1, 2, and 3 in the name of "getting" the Witnesses, J-DUBBED. Take some deep breaths and step away from the computer, because I'm sure I'm not the only one who's tired of your Tourette's outbursts.

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Media request to record/broadcast oral argument; from ABC News New York

by Londo111 in

http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=2025979&doc_no=a136641.

see last item:.

"media request to record/broadcast oral argument; from abc news new york".

Apognophos

Well, recording is one thing; I'm sure the news program crews record lots of things. We'll have to wait (possibly a long time) to see if anything comes of this.

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Elders removed in Northern PA. Congregation

by ToesUp in

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a close family member just informed me what happened during their last c.o.

visit.

this occurred 3 months ago.

Apognophos

This isn't really that unusual, in the sense that it would portend anything for the organization at large.

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I have a TASK for you to perform. Come on--it will be FUN!

by Terry in

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look up in the right-hand corner of this page.. find where it says welcome (name).. did you locate that?.

now click on your name and observe the new page loading takes you to a top blue bar with a menu.. it should read:.

active topics search members topics started .

Apognophos

My largest thread is the Comprehensive NWT Comparison Project at 11 pages, since it required technical discussion. I haven't forgotten that I promised to come back to it once I am free to spend time on other programs again.

My largest general-interest topics, at 5 pages each, are Witnesses: Why The 1/19/14 WT Lesson Is Dangerous (about the study article which urged people to follow any future directions from the slave; I worked hard on this one and am proud of it despite making a few errors) and Your earliest doubt?.

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So when?

by crazyhorse in

so when at all will other jws wake up from their deep mind control and realize its all lies???.

i can't wait to see jws wake up from their control like it happened in "the stepford wives".. .

Apognophos

The problem is, they want to be lied to.