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  grazy link on JW.ORG

  by fastJehu in

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  Sorry, I don't have time for a 38 minute video. But atheism is not about proving there isn't a God. It's about simply taking an evidence-based stance and saying that you won't believe in something just because mommy and daddy and society says it exists. The burden of proof is on believers to show that something as extraordinary as God exists.

  Just to be clear, I'm agnostic, but essentially atheist concerning the God of the Bible. That's because I learned about how the Bible was written and now I can see the seams very clearly. It's very much a collection of disparate writings that were edited and mashed together over the centuries, and you can actually see the concept of God evolving from the earlier texts like Gen. ch. 2 to the later texts like Gen ch 1. So for anyone who's actually learned this stuff, they can't believe that the Bible is God's Word anymore. That doesn't mean God doesn't exist, just that he hasn't revealed himself by inspiring the Bible.
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  TV.JW.OR

  by LogCon in

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  I continually copy my long posts into a text editor and save them as I work on them, so I can't lose something by hitting the wrong key. Just a tip.
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  JWs and Exclusivity

  by Don Schneider in

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  jesus, mark 9-40 (nwt).

  the jehovahs witnesses assert exclusivity.

  that is, they are the only true christian faith.

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  Apologies, I had a feeling I must have been misunderstanding someone or something. humbled was probably referring to Mark 9:40 not being used by JWs, which is definitely true. I was referring to Mark 9:42 as the scripture which was considered "many many times". Not sure how I managed to get mixed up on that.
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  Early Evidence for 1 John 5: 7

  by Perry in

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  italic 4th and 5th century.

  629 in the 14th century.

  429 in the 14th century (margin).

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  Yes, but it's a crazed ad hominem to jump from the basic tenet of all Christianity, that the Jews are not God's people anymore because they rejected the Messiah, to holding someone responsible for past massacres.
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  Evidence of life after death?

  by little_Socrates in

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  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/life-after-death-largestever-study-provides-evidence-that-out-of-body-and-neardeath-experiences-may-actually-be-real-9780195.html.

  "experts currently believe that the brain shuts down within 20 to 30 seconds of the heart stopping beating and that it is not possible to be aware of anything at all once that has happened.. but scientists in the new study heard said they heard compelling evidence that patients experienced real events for up to three minutes after this had happened and could recall them accurately once they had been resuscitated.".

  how are people having "experinces" while there is no evidence of heart or brain activity?.

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  Right, which is why posters here are saying we need to learn more about the brain. The limited readouts on the hospital screens do not really tell us what is happening in the innermost parts of the brain. Doctors are just saying "We think the brain is only conscious for this long after the heart stops." They could be wrong. It's a much simpler thesis than "There is an immaterial part of our mind".

  People forget this now, but the infamous guillotine was intended to be a more humane form of execution because it immediately and cleanly separated the head from the body. It wasn't until later that doctors realized that people are still responsive after decapitation for maybe 8-20 seconds.
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  grazy link on JW.ORG

  by fastJehu in

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  Apognophos

  Do you see them killing each other? Do you see them doing ANYTHING to each other?

  Although it's probably not what you meant, you kind of made my point for me. No, I don't see JWs doing much to each other. For a group that claims to show true love, they actually seem to show something much more limited in scope and scale that equates to "Reinforce my own beliefs or I'll shun you". Other groups have financial assistance, and genuine friendship. Miss a few meetings, and your JW "friends" start to sidle away from you nervously. Financial assistance chalks up to the advice "Go on welfare".

  I'm not an Atheist or Evolutionist or any of that crap.

  You shouldn't be proud of ignorance. Evolution is scientific fact for everyone outside of the fundamentalist-conspiracy-theory bubble that JWs and their ilk live in.

  It sounds like you've been living your life in neutral since being DFed. Put the car back in gear and start driving your life. Don't let the GB drive it for you. Interact with regular people. Don't ask what their beliefs are, just get to know what kind of people they are, and you'll be surprised. It's not a big scary world out there. It's a big world with a few scary people and lots more good ones.
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  Killing In Self Defense

  by Cold Steel in

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  the man was moving around in the darkness of j's home with a gun.

  he was certain j. and his family weren't there, but he was wrong.

  when a door suddenly opened and a dark figure fumbled for the hallway light, he had only a moment to act.

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  By the way, I've duly noted the info you guys gave me about Rutherford's bodyguards, especially TD. I learned something new.
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  Early Evidence for 1 John 5: 7

  by Perry in

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  italic 4th and 5th century.

  629 in the 14th century.

  429 in the 14th century (margin).

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  Don't be ridiculous, designs. Nobody is advocating a pogrom. I have no dog in this fight, but you're going too far by insulting people who are speaking with a level head about abstract beliefs and not promoting violence. I thought you were doing well in the debate until you lost your cool and let your religiophobia show. Take a break from the computer and get some fresh air.
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  The org uses "Emotional entrapment and manipulation" rather than factual substance....

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  have you noticed just how much the org is now appealing to "emotions" rather than facts?.

  we used to be told that worshiping god has an element of emotion involved of course, but that the primary motivation should be logical truth.

  now though, they seem to be highlighting the "fluff" rather than the substance!.

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  You have a PM, Yondaime.
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  A "My Book of Bible Stories" tale that I've always hated

  by JimmyPage in

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  i've always hated story #53: "jepthah's promise".

  i always felt sorry for the daughter who had to spend the rest of her days at the tabernacle because her father made a numb-nuts promise to god.

  who did he think he was, making promises for other people?

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  Interesting, I got to the same URL; I wonder why it doesn't work when pasted here? Testing... http://www.hebrewoldtestament.com/B01C022.htm

  That works for me. Seems that something funny happened because you didn't paste in the "http://". Not sure why.