Killing In Self Defense

by Cold Steel 90 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Cold Steel
    Cold Steel

    The man was moving around in the darkness of J's home with a gun. He was certain J. and his family weren't there, but he was wrong. When a door suddenly opened and a dark figure fumbled for the hallway light, he had only a moment to act. As the light came on, he launched himself at the figure, whom he instantly recognized as J's wife. Using his revolver as a club, he delivered a blow to her head. Just as suddenly he saw another figure emerge. The last thing he saw was the automatic in J's hand -- a small caliber Ruger pistol. Without a word, J. began shooting. The intruder dropped his .38, but not before J. had unloaded his 10-shot magazine into his head and chest. He was pronounced dead on the scene.

    But the plot thickens, as they say. J. is an active Jehovah's Witness. It was ruled by the cops justifiable homicide and the state's attorney agreed. So how about the elders in J's Kingdom Hall? Do they initiate any sort of any inquiry, or investigation, on their own? In short, do they back J., or are they upset that J's affiliation with the Watchtower Society might reflect poorly on them? The intruder's family is angry because their dear P. was shot ten times in rapid succession. Did he have to fire so many shots? Both J. and his wife, considered ordained ministers in Jehovah's "organization," and they testiy that P. had not dropped his weapon until all the shots had been fired.

    Is this going to be a theocratic issue or will J. be vindicated because it was a clear cut case of self defense? In the Old Testament, killing an intruder after dark was justifiable. Does that cut J. any slack? And will J. be in trouble because he grabbed his wife and used her as a human shield while he emptied his weapon into P.?

  • NAVYTOWN
    NAVYTOWN

    The obvious solution to this dilemma: The householder should just let the legal system sort it out. Then he should tell the Elders to Suck Balls if they don't like the outcome. If they make ANY moves to DF him, the best bet is to tell the Elders to piss off and then walk out of the KH for good. Problem solved!!

  • DesirousOfChange
    DesirousOfChange

    The answer to your hypothetical situation depends entirely on the BOE.

    If the BOE is a group of redneck deer hunters they'll all slap the guy on the back and tell him it shouldn't have taken 10 rounds.

    If the BOE is a bunch of conservative anti-handgun pricks, he's in trouble for relying on a handgun instead of Jehovah for protection.

    Doc

  • Splash
    Splash

    *** w09 9/1 p. 23 When You Are Offended ***
    Does this mean that if we are the victim of a crime or are threatened in some other way, we should just meekly accept it? By no means! When Paul said, “Keep conquering the evil with the good,” he did not mean that a Christian should be obsessed with being a martyr. On the contrary, when attacked, we certainly have the right to defend ourselves.

    Seems like he did the right thing in getting Old Testament on the intruder.

    Splash

  • Cold Steel
    Cold Steel

    It boils down to whether an "ordained" minister of the gospel has the God-given right to self defense or whether they're expected to live by a higher standard? One question is, would it be an entirely legal issue or would the BOE get involved? I've heard that in some jurisdictions, Witnesses are counseled not to own guns for self defense. So I surmise it's a strictly local theocratic matter.

  • Apognophos
    Apognophos

    I don't think JWs are ever supposed to own guns for self-defense. It's analogous to taking self-defense classes (martial arts), which is condemned because it takes matters into one's own hands instead of depending on God for salvation (and yes, this is somewhat hypocritical when the Society also allows brothers to defend themselves from attackers).

    Owning guns for hunting, on the other hand, is supposed to be perfectly acceptable, but in some areas the elders are gunphobes and would frown upon it. Of course there's probably many a JW man who kept a "hunting pistol" from his gun collection near his bed at night. Not for self-defense, of course Just in case he saw a quail outside one early morning, and didn't have time to get his rifle.

  • TD
    TD

    J will lose any "Privileges" or "Appointment" he may have had. He will not be disfellowshipped.

  • stillin
    stillin

    Smack my wife and prepare to die!

    I think TD is correct. Elders and MSs aren't supposed to have handguns

  • Gregor
    Gregor

    Rutherford had a coterie of big guys carrying lead weighted 'canes' to whack hecklers who had infiltrated the audience.

  • Apognophos
    Apognophos

    Where did you hear that, Gregor?

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