the watchtower loses action against the bank "fifth third bank" - ohio, usa.. .
see here all the details and the final verdict:.
http://www.leagle.com/xmlresult.aspx?xmldoc=in%20ohco%2020111006735.xml&docbase=cslwar3-2007-curr.
I can just imagine what the response would be if a JW was in the WT's position and they wrote to the WT for advice. I bet they would tell them not to pursue it so as to not bring reproach on Jehovah's name.
This really says what they are all about, actions sure speak louder than words.
there is a prayer often recited by people in various types of recovery programs called the serenity prayer.
here the short version:.
god grant me the serenity .
If you are wanting some sort of panacea, then I think you are chasing a fantasy. It's been said, life sucks and then you die. In my case, coming to grips with this life being all there is, was not easy, but I have felt much more serenity since I took god out of the equation. Worshipping someone who will kill you if you don't is not condusive to serenity IMO.
When you say Christ will take care of it in the future in his due time, how is that any different than the WT paradise carrot? I'm convinced that many people cannot deal with the harsh reality we all face and grasp onto the fantasy that they are most comfortable with.
i realize many on this forum are atheist, and theres many threads to show why.
some believe creationist lack knowledge or understanding and that we are too ignorant to realize there isn't a creator.. i have studied (not in depth) first year college science, and am studying medical/health currently.
i am also very interested in astronomy, and have learned a little in that area.
Greybeard,
What insults? I guess it touches a sore spot comparing you to the JW's. Think about it though, you're advocating the same thing. Won over without a word, remember?
You really think your "yet" comment was a complement? IMO Jesus has your mind a bit twisted if you do.
Edited to add: Go ahead, make my day
i realize many on this forum are atheist, and theres many threads to show why.
some believe creationist lack knowledge or understanding and that we are too ignorant to realize there isn't a creator.. i have studied (not in depth) first year college science, and am studying medical/health currently.
i am also very interested in astronomy, and have learned a little in that area.
I agree Greybeard. Except...do you realize how much you sound like the JW's with this statement:
"Our loving response could be the only thing that wins them over to Christ"
I'm glad I belong to a group that can use things like logic and reason and not emotion.
And then this little gem:
In my opinion, the true definition of an atheist is "a person that does not believe in God yet."
I'll put up with you, even though with that statement you come across nicely as a condescending a-hole. Brother.
you gotta admire the skill manifest in the watchtower's deception skills.
don't kid yourself, even the gestapo, in internal documents found after the war, found the magazines to be well crafted in the field of propaganda.. the latest deceptions?
well, there's the nov. awake magazine with its cover asking, "is belief in a creator reasonable".
I hope this hasn't died already. I just sat down with some popcorn.
sorry if this has been asked before but i would love to know the current ratio on this forum.. i'm a believer/christian former jw for 45 years... born in .
what are you now and what were you?.
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So why do you ask?
here is why, even though i no longer agree with most of what the gb/wt/jw's teach, i still feel especially close to all of us who were apart of this group.
born in or converted.
we all have had the same life experience of being raised in a over bearing mind controlling cult.
Greybeard...
Past life? Do you believe in reincarnation?
here is why, even though i no longer agree with most of what the gb/wt/jw's teach, i still feel especially close to all of us who were apart of this group.
born in or converted.
we all have had the same life experience of being raised in a over bearing mind controlling cult.
I just love you man!!! Even though you are an atheist basher like your buddy above me.
have anyone here went from being a very strict believer in god to a non-believer?.
actually i think many are.. but outside of the usual answers of "god doesn't exist" (which you must have had some very valid reasons for), were there many things that caused you to come to this conclusion?
i was watching a southpark video about joseph smith and the mormons and i thought it very funny that anyone could actually believe any of that stuff.
Awen,
Thank you for the very candid and honest post. You may very well come to the same conclusion as I and Talesin have, and if you have been an unquestioning believer most of your life like I was it takes a bit of humility to admit it, although in my case it was also refreshing. Some can never go that far even when exposed to the facts, they have a need to believe, and bolster it by playing the faith card. Maybe it's pride, maybe it's just that it is too painful to admit this life is all you get.
Good luck in your journey.
thought provoking.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a42rhvmnuaa&feature=uploademail.
Gladiator
