Posts by TonusOH

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C of E Abuse Report. Contrast with JW org !

by Phizzy in

note this report covers cases going back to 1949, they uncovered 400. if j.w's in the u.k did a similar, thorough trawl of all congregation records going back that far, let's pretend they haven't destroyed most of them, we know they have, but just pretend they are all available, how many cases of abuse would they uncover ?

in a much smaller org ?.

maybe the file destruction that has gone on was to protect the org.

TonusOH

The article headline used "C of E" and the first sentence of the article reads "The Church of England has suffered from a culture of deference, inertia, misogyny [etc]". Click the link and you would have understood what it mean in literally the first four words.

As for Phizzy's question about what the JWs might discover: I think it was the Australia commission that found a record of complaints/reports of CSA against more than 1,000 JWs. I believe that this was during a period a bit shorter than the 1940s to present. I don't think the numbers can be compared directly, but it's still a staggering total.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

I agree that the low view totals must be driving him bonkers, especially as he wonders where the other 98,000 subscribers have gone. I think he's been trying to branch out, but that means having to build a viewership all over again. exJWs will not be very interested in the Mormons or Scientologists, and if he wants to rebrand as an atheist channel, that's also a completely different demographic.

He's almost back where he was when he began, only now he has the baggage of his own actions and attitude weighing him down. It looks like a long and very rough road ahead for him.

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'In Search of Christian Freedom'

by riblah in

i cross-posted this on reddit:.

i would love to have a hard copy of this book.

does anyone know about how to go about persuading the person who has the rights to print a batch?.

TonusOH

If someone is only interested in the contents, I think many (if not all) of those books are available online in PDF format. Some are even full page-by-page scans of the original, instead of just the text.

Edit to add: I am not referring to the books by Raymond Franz, which are protected by copyright. I would note that Crisis of Conscience is available on Amazon Kindle for $8. But In Search of Christian Freedom is not, sadly.

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Illinois Elders as mandatory reporters must undergo training

by Diogenesister in

illinois now requires all elders as mandatory reporters to undergo state approved training every three years to ensure they fully understand their roles as mandated reporters.

this will include a pre training assessment, 60 - 90 mins of self paced, interactive training with a final assessment to ensure reporters understand their responsibilities.

following the course, mandated reporters must make a declaration that they understand their status as a reporter and will fully comply with mandatory requirements.

TonusOH

There's a great opportunity for this to eventually hurt the WTS. At some point, an elder may report CSA to the proper authorities. And if the organization tries to punish him for it, they may be facing more than a potential civil suit from the former elder. It could possibly become a federal case. And that would be way more serious than any civil suit. I'd love to see WatchTower lawyers try some of their legal tricks against a DOJ investigation or court case.

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Annual Meeting 2022: Geoffrey Jackson: Why Jerusalem mattersem Matters

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/pdtwglldsza.

TonusOH

Didn't the WTS paint itself as the 'New Israel' or something along those lines? The idea was that there would be a spiritual Israel that would be God's new nation and His new people. Regardless of what happens in the Mideast, they can claim that they're the focus of any prophecies and of God's favor because they're the modern-day Israel, as far as Jehovah is concerned.

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Do you believe in ultimate justice?

by Fisherman in

ultimate justice means that conduct is not inconsequential.

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TonusOH

Conduct is always consequential, but we may not agree that the consequences were fair or just.

And our ability to rationalize decisions and outcomes can make that difficult to determine sometimes. Imagine a pair of young people who have sex out of wedlock and produce a child. They might use the trope of "anytime I look at my child, I know my actions were good/worth it/etc." But to many religious denominations, they have committed a grave sin and are potentially hell-bound.

But, what if the child grows up to be a great champion of justice, and finds ways to make the world a better place... do those religious people still feel that the parents are condemned to eternal suffering for bringing that person into the world? Or do they get a pass to Heaven instead? Is either of those endings just? What would be the ultimate justice in that scenario?

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which Translation Now?

by enoughisenough in

for those of you who still respect the bible, which translation/s are you using now?

why?.

TonusOH

Fisherman: The NWT though is just amazing. No comparison.

I agree with the 'no comparison' part.

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Tony Morris, Demonic Humanity, Annual Meeting talk

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/vktqyahg0tg.

there seems to be a difference of opinion between geoffrey jackson and tonny morris on how to deal with their feelings towards worldly people.geoffrey jackson made a point to say in his talk that jesus wept for the wicked in jerusalem but following that bloodthirsty tony morris in his talk wants the demon stirred wicked humanity gone..

TonusOH

They exert control through fear. Talking about Jesus and Jehovah doesn't cause fear, it gives hope. So they need to keep Satan and demons in the front of the minds of the rank and file, so that they stay scared.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

There isn't a fee involved in subscribing to a YouTube channel, and creators frequently will request that viewers subscribe. Subscribing is a button-click away and has no cost. Also, I bet a lot of people abandon their logins for any number of reasons or simply have so many subscribed channels that it's not easy to get their attention anymore unless your channel is massive.

So it's not unusual to see a channel with far more subscribers than video views. I figure that a lot of people don't support his YT channel anymore, but since there's no cost involved, they don't remember to unsubscribe.

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Who is GOD Favouring in this Time of the End ?

by smiddy3 in

jw
friends

jehovah`s witnesses , seventh day adventists , church of jesus christ of the latter day saints.. these 3 are probably the more influenthal in the last 200 or so years ago.. if membership is a sign of god`s blessing on who he favours then @ the year 2021.. jehovah`s witnesses membership 8.5 million.

church of jesus christ of latter day saint`s membership.16.8 million.

seventh day adventist`s membership.21 million.

TonusOH

It strains credulity to put forth the idea that the same God who wishes for all to be saved is only going to save a fraction of a fraction* of humanity when he finally sorts things out.

*Literally! Those three religions combined are around one-half of a percent of the current human population.