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  Question #1 for JW's to offer an explanation

  by BoogerMan in

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  the r&f jw's are defined by the wtbts as antitypical "foreigners," and as such, are not participants of the new covenant:.

  wt 98 2/1 p.19, par.

  6 - "further, other sheep lay hold of the new covenant just as foreigners of old laid hold of the law covenant.

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  waton

  Rev. 7: the 144 000 (wt partakers all), "come out of the 12 tribes of Israel." All members of the 12 tribes are in the covenants, mosaic and "new". They are not strangers. The 12 tribes are the majority, not the minority of believers.

  This "stranger, Jonadab' doctrine " is a wrong, strange wt teachings about excluded "strangers". 100 year old old light of abstention from the emblems.

  The wt anointed, are in the "kingdom covenant", all christians ( members of the 12 tribe "Israel of God" ) are in the new covenant which is basically for "forgiveness of sin". .
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  The Passing of a GREAT Musician.....

  by titch in

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  i just found out this evening, may 27th, that the well-known greek musician, vangelis, passed away just last week.

  may 17th, in fact.

  he was 79 years old, which, well, as you know, is old.

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  waton

  there is something spiritual about how common notes, positions on the keyboard can be transformed by someone like Vangelis into a powerful resonances in our minds, and stay there. and re-sonate at will, without the instruments. It is clearly

  One way into the future, to be a creatore like him, and having children. The other ideas offered by religions will have to wait to be verified, to be real.

  Vangelis you enriched us.
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  Baptists have more in common with JW's than they think

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://apnews.com/article/baptist-religion-sexual-abuse-by-clergy-southern-convention-bfdbe64389790630488f854c3dae3fd5"leaders of the southern baptist convention, america’s largest protestant denomination, stonewalled and denigrated survivors of clergy sex abuse over almost two decades while seeking to protect their own reputations, according to a scathing 288-page investigative report issued sunday.. these survivors, and other concerned southern baptists, repeatedly shared allegations with the sbc’s executive committee, “only to be met, time and time again, with resistance, stonewalling, and even outright hostility from some within the ec,” said the report.. the seven-month investigation was conducted by guidepost solutions, an independent firm contracted by the executive committee after delegates to last year’s national meeting pressed for a probe by outsiders.. “our investigation revealed that, for many years, a few senior ec leaders, along with outside counsel, largely controlled the ec’s response to these reports of abuse ... and were singularly focused on avoiding liability for the sbc,” the report said.

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  waton

  One of the US Baptist organisations is supposed to have made public the list of their offenders. wt is reluctant, because with L. Greenlees possibly topping the list, there might be also falsely accused, mere suspects, that would open a real legal can of worms, or cornucopia.

  organizing things has it's real drawbacks. did not jesus instructed to simplify ?
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  Do you think Watchtower is owned by a man at the top

  by Foolednomore in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do you think watchtower is own by one man at top that is so mysterious but only the governing idiots answer to?.

  or could it be a family like the rothschilds or some other wealthy family.

  or a secret branch( experiments) of the government?.

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  waton

  (Franz did not agree with this and gave, at a convention what would now be considered an apostate talk)

  Jrf, I remember that, the "tail wagging the dog analogy", and wondered what went on at the top.

  I have seen too, that astonishing, ostentatious wealth exists at the periphery of the administrations.
  
  
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  What Ended in 1914?

  by BoogerMan in

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  1913!.

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  waton

  On the street i was raised, 1914 ended the construction of ornate buildings adorned with statues of beautiful ladies, and the start of building bare basic housing.
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  is The trial of Adam and Eve an evil? resulting in more evil?

  by waton in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for months, week by week, wt devotees have been hammered to use just one bible text in 'the ministry',.

  james 1:3 " - god does not try anyone with evil - ".

  to show on what shaky footing wt doctrine defenders are, ask the presenters these questions:.

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  waton

  The philosophical debate T B N

  The aim of this thread is to get wt followers to look at the nonsensical assertions in their presentations, be it by telephone, person to person and meeting 'parts'

  In the talking snake bible story, it is the deity that sets up the trial, to see and try if A&E can be tripped up in temptation.

  wt asserts that all evil, even the appearance of carnivores of any kind is the result of our parents falling for the bait that was set up.

  Since this James 1;13 'presentation' has been scheduled ad nauseum in perhaps 30 scenes, it is possible, that it is addressed not as a training for their sales people, but to hammer home, that the wt god, the upper elite, does no evil, no matter what is done.

  "whether it is reasonable from a human standpoint or not"

  evil is good. when gobd does it.
  
  
  
  
  
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  is The trial of Adam and Eve an evil? resulting in more evil?

  by waton in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for months, week by week, wt devotees have been hammered to use just one bible text in 'the ministry',.

  james 1:3 " - god does not try anyone with evil - ".

  to show on what shaky footing wt doctrine defenders are, ask the presenters these questions:.

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  waton

  For months, week by week, wt devotees have been hammered to use just one bible text in 'the ministry',

  James 1:3 " - god does not try anyone with evil - "

  to show on what shaky footing wt doctrine defenders are, ask the presenters these questions:

  who created the paradise, all the beautiful trees? amazing animals?* --- the deity, yes? --so,

  the tree of knowledge, with the death penalty for the whole family, for merely touching it, was a creation of the deity? a trial set up? --- yes?--

  Explain to me, how is the suffering that happened in the last 6000 years, to billion of people, because of the degradation for all of us, -- resulting from this trial that our parents failed, not the greatest evil ?

  Is all this evil for our good? is this the message of your leaders?

  *talking snakes, monkeys, mosquitos, amazing plants, nettles, poison ivy, deadly mushrooms, ---
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  Simple Question Re 1914

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

  and the end times.

  a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

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  waton

  Jesus then spends the next 1881 years preparing a place NCC

  what all these bible readers miss is, that Jesus was already in his kingdom in the first century. Colossians 1:13, an colossal oversight.
  
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  No beards...even Jesus! Strange Watchower rule for brothers!

  by Witness 007 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  watchtower 1954 p.511 "why do watchtower publications now show jesus with short hair and no beard?

  because he is shown that way in older representations of him that are older then the traditional effeminate looking pictures.".

  watchtower 1968 p.286 "bible evidence and a recent review shows that jesus did have a beard..." charles russell style of beard was popular at bethel...till rutherford took over.

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  waton

  with the mask still an option/ mandatory, do not miss the chance to be fully bearded and smile at them in glee at the meetings, have the beard and esteem of the team.
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  New Religion

  by crios in

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  2. friends

  i need a new religion.

  it can't be trinidadian and it must be a christian church.

  it's been a while since i've been to the hall (and i'm not interested in returning either) and i need a new religion.

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  waton

  how about an evidence only world view?