Question #1 for JW's to offer an explanation

by BoogerMan 11 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  BoogerMan

  The R&F JW's are defined by the WTBTS as antitypical "foreigners," and as such, are not participants of the New Covenant:

  wt 98 2/1 p.19, par. 6 - "Further, other sheep lay hold of the new covenant just as foreigners of old laid hold of the Law covenant. In what way? Not by becoming participants in it, but by submitting to the laws associated with it and benefiting from its arrangements."
  

  Deuteronomy 29:10-15 dismisses this false teaching & shows that foreigners were participants:

  10 “All of you are stationed today before Jehovah your God, the heads of your tribes, your elders, your officers, every man of Israel,

  11 your children, your wives, and your foreign resident who is in the midst of your camp, from the one gathering your wood to the one drawing your water.

  12 You are here in order to enter into the covenant of Jehovah your God and his oath, which Jehovah your God is making with you today

  13 in order that he may establish you [all] today as his people and that he may be your God, just as he has promised you and just as he swore to your forefathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

  14 "Now it is not with you alone that I am making this covenant and this oath,

  15 but it is with those standing here with us today before Jehovah our God and with those who are not here with us today."

  Rahab and Ruth (as foreigners) were accepted as full members of the nation of Israel. If they hadn't been, the Messianic lineage would have been corrupted by non-Israelites.

  As such, the type/anti-type application which downgrades “non-anointed” J.W.'s as being "foreigners" is a deliberate lie, to create an elite group within the org. (w85 3/1 p. 15 par. 15)

  
  
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  waton

  Rev. 7: the 144 000 (wt partakers all), "come out of the 12 tribes of Israel." All members of the 12 tribes are in the covenants, mosaic and "new". They are not strangers. The 12 tribes are the majority, not the minority of believers.

  This "stranger, Jonadab' doctrine " is a wrong, strange wt teachings about excluded "strangers". 100 year old old light of abstention from the emblems.

  The wt anointed, are in the "kingdom covenant", all christians ( members of the 12 tribe "Israel of God" ) are in the new covenant which is basically for "forgiveness of sin". .
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  St George of England

  Clearly, the Bible needs to be corrected on this point.

  George
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  Disillusioned JW

  BoogerMan, though I am an ex-JW and thus not invited to reply to your post, I make this reply anyway. The scriptural points you made (in the initial post of this topic thread) are a great insight to me, a figurative "eye opener" to me.
  
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  Kosonen

  waton, yes what you wrote is in deed easy to see, that the covenant about the kingdom is not the same as the new covenant.

  In Luke 22:20 Jesus tells about the new covenant and the memorial emblem, the wine symbolizing his blood.

  But later that evening after some disputing about who is the greatest among the disciples Jesus spoke to his disciples about a covenant about a kingdom they would join because they had faithfully remained with him all that time. Verse 29.

  Yes I agree that the new covenant is about complete forgivness of sins thanks to Jesus' sacrificial death. He sacrificed his blood and flesh and died instead of us. So now we need not to be punished for our sins. It is enough if we repent and believe in Jesus' sacrificial death.
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  waton

  a deliberate lie, to create an elite group within the org. BM

  if the partakers are the future rulers of the universe, may the deity have mercy on us.

  Clearly, the Bible needs to be corrected on this point. George

  right. but not just on that, but starting at Gen I :I because

  the earth is ~ 10 000 0000 000 years younger than the beginning creation event.

  The Earth was not created with the heavens, but by the "heavens", generations of now dead stars,
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  scholar

  BoogerMan

  The R&F JW's are defined by the WTBTS as antitypical "foreigners," and as such, are not participants of the New Covenant:

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  The answer is simple. Under the Law Covenant the Israelites along with foreigners formed a community under that arrangement able to worship Jehovah God according to the terms and conditions prescribed by that covenant.

  The New Covenant was a more intimate or restrictive arrangement made by Jesus Himself and by personal invitation to prospective members who would become the Bride of Christ.

  To illustrate you may have a small group of friends that all associate together under mutually agreed social norms but if you wish to choose a bride or groom then this is a more personal decision or an intimate again having different terms and conditions as prescribed by any covenant which of course marriage is a covenant between two people.

  Thus there is a vast difference between these two covenants but also strong similarities for both describe Jehovah's worship through time etc.

  scholar JW
  
  
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  waton

  The New Covenant was a more intimate or restrictive arrangement

  scholar jw : that is made up wt bunk.

  According to Jeremiah, the new covenant is not more restrictive but broader, no chapter and verses, just forgiveness of sin. for all comers. Christ came to buy back that was lost, for all.

  The other sheep are Cornelius et al, and the twelve tribes of Rev 7.

  The new covenant clears away sin for human perfection to happen again. The "anointed" partakers, sacrifice that right to earthly life in order to aspire for the upward calling, just as Jesus, the "Second Adam" did. only

  to rule with Christ for a thousand years to have to die a martyr's death, with the axe, not sedated in hospice.

  100 of 1000 nds to choose from since Stephen.
  
  
  
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  scholar

  waton

  that is made up wt bunk.

  According to Jeremiah, the new covenant is not more restrictive but broader, no chapter and verses, just forgiveness of sin. for all comers. Christ came to buy back that was lost, for all.

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  The membership of the New Covenant was and is restrictive as to the quality and quantity of its members or those specially anointed to be of that class of people forming a Spiritual Israel of 144,000.

  scholar JW
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  waton

  The membership of the New Covenant was and is restrictive as to the quality and quantity of its members or those specially anointed to be of that class of people forming a Spiritual Israel of 144,000. sJW.

  Like many self appointed so called wt scholars, you are confusing the New Covenant with the Kingdom Covenant. just repeating old unfounded stuff.

  all the 12 tribes of Israel were in the Law covenant, only the kings & priests in their separate covenants. similarly

  all of the 12 tribes (of Rev 7, the Israel of God ) are in the new covenant, The 144 000 of 7, 14, are in the special, kingdom and priestly covenant.

  All of Israel of old partook, all the 12 tribes should partake. not just those that were sealed out of them. John 6.