Posts by waton

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WHY would Religion not flourish before the Flood?

by waton in

or why did they kill abel?

with mother eve still telling her talking snake story?

they killed abel, because he killed the invention of religion, at least before the "new light" rainbow regime.

waton

t did flourish.

SB: this thread was intended to be bible based humour and I did not read anything in Moses 1-9 about religion before the flood, Gobekli tepe notwithstanding.

Note the irony that in the scriptures, religion is a rainbow affair. (every one sees a different rainbow). ephemeral with supposed pot of gold as real estate base.

jah wanted BLOOD sacrafices

P: he did not tell them to do any sacrifices, it was their idea. the bloody mess came later, on second thought. They were all vegetarians, why keep flocks? to knit socks?

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WHY would Religion not flourish before the Flood?

by waton in

or why did they kill abel?

with mother eve still telling her talking snake story?

they killed abel, because he killed the invention of religion, at least before the "new light" rainbow regime.

waton

or why did they kill Abel? With Mother Eve still telling her talking snake story?

They killed Abel, because he killed the invention of religion, at least before the "new light" rainbow regime. because

Religion thrives on wealth, offerings. " contributions" and when

Abel managing to get his "choice pieces" of fertilizer*** seemingly accepted as the choice of the deity, -- piling offal on the altars became the rage.

*** Humans, not even lions, hyenas, dogs, would instinctevely eat meat, bones. proof ?: see the Ark's loading list.

Imagine religions as Garbage collectors. Composting companies. instead of keeping the pot of Gold at the real estate base of the rainbow.

The moral of the story? religion are rainbow companies, they can vanish at any moment. taking the hope of future wealth and paradise real estate with them.

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Are Jehovah Witness willing to end studies?

by Maria Nieves in

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-october-2020/how-to-conduct-a-bible-study-that-leads-to-baptism-part-two/.

i recently came across the above watchtower article which spoke about conducting bible studies which lead to baptism.

it progressed to say that if the bible study instructor does not see growth within the student or the desire to work towards baptism, then the studies should end.

In the years leading up to 1975, the early 70ies, a limit of 6 month was put up per wt instructions on duration of a bible "study". period. after that, with no baptism the hapless candidate was left to face Armageddon on his own. ha ha. j

The demonstrations of "studies", in the week's sales practice sessions are wishful thinking, destined for the publisher themselfs. No intelligent person will allow himself to be subjected to tha childish question and answer routine.

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Will JWs get DFed if they are caught with old JW publications?

by mickbobcat in

i was told that if a jw now gets caught reading or with old jw literature they can get dfed.

i doubt this is true but wanted to know for sure.

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waton

if they spread these ideas printed then and there as applying now, as eternal truth they would.

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How Life May have Started on This Planet Without YHWH

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

some may be interested in this research from the scripps research institute.. this research and its conclusion builds on previous work, quote: "in a study published in the chemistry journal angewandte chemie, they demonstrated that a simple compound called diamidophosphate (dap), which was plausibly present on earth before life arose, could have chemically knitted together tiny dna building blocks called deoxynucleosides into strands of primordial dna.. the finding is the latest in a series of discoveries, over the past several years, pointing to the possibility that dna and its close chemical cousin rna arose together as products of similar chemical reactions, and that the first self-replicating molecules -- the first life forms on earth -- were mixes of the two.".

read more at this science daily web-site .... link: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/12/201228095428.htm.

waton

fts thank you for those details. but no matter how you describe the process, it still amounts to work accomplished with energy and laws that the universe was endowed with. energy that is uncreated. laws that would not exist if they were not providing a viable platform to operate in.

the Y question is another matter, a minor detail.

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Thoughts on Zoom

by waton in

the wt sponsored zoom meetings reduce individual freedom, spirituality.

the wt sponsored zoom meetings enables ego maniacs, narcissists to have their influence beamed right into your living room.

conversations that were private, personal are now broadcast, forced on all participants.

waton

switching off the camera.

LHG, all true. we even tape the camera up, because all these features can be hacked, remotely turned on and recorded

A cult has arisen here of showing new decorations, expansive kitchens, using circular light to highlight the face, all kinds of theater. ha haa.

Imagine face recognition will catch all elders when the time comes.

"judgement starts with the house of god" the guardians.

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The bird that had options to leave, but chose to be mentally enslaved

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the watchtower—study edition | august 1, 2001. make your advancement manifest.

8 first, since “oneness” is to be observed, a mature christian must be in unity and full harmony with fellow believers as far as faith and knowledge are concerned.

he does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to bible understanding.

waton

The bird is not alone. There are others in that cage that weekly reinforce this attitude. so:

It is hard to fly like an eagle * when you are surrounded by turkeys.

* eagle. the symbol of wisdom in the scriptures. rising without effort, in thermals, slope winds. Isa. 40:31.

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How many TRUE BELIEVERS do you think are left in the Organization?

by pistolpete in

i have a few jw relatives who are true believers.

by this i mean, they believe with all their heart that 1914 was the beginning of the last days, that this is the last generation, that we are in the very last of the last hour of this system of things, and that you should obey the governing body even if it does not make sense.

all of them are in their 60s and up into their 90s there is nothing you can say or show them to convince them or even cause a small doubt that the wt is not god organization.

waton

source of psychological angst for JWs in that situation to uphold such a contrived interpretation, sbf:

When you were facing death by firing squad or guillotine, and wondered whether it was allowable to work raising furry animals whose pelts were used to line Luftwaffe high altitude suits.

These were true believers, not like our latter day "elders" pushing kids to pioneer while presiding over their $$$ estates.

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How many TRUE BELIEVERS do you think are left in the Organization?

by pistolpete in

i have a few jw relatives who are true believers.

by this i mean, they believe with all their heart that 1914 was the beginning of the last days, that this is the last generation, that we are in the very last of the last hour of this system of things, and that you should obey the governing body even if it does not make sense.

all of them are in their 60s and up into their 90s there is nothing you can say or show them to convince them or even cause a small doubt that the wt is not god organization.

waton

intentionally misled ***JWs into a false understanding of Romans 13 because it bolstered their resolve in the face of hostile governments in the 1940s. sbf:

I was involved remotely with the class of Gilead in 1958, and a brother from germany there related how divisive, disruptive this teaching was for those in the camps, cut off from the outside and facing death for their stand based on these teaching differences !929 / 1939.

*** there is biblical precedent for that in the contest of the prophets before Ahab's death. another reason to view the whole enterprise with well founded scepticism

~~True believers~~ in truth.

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How many TRUE BELIEVERS do you think are left in the Organization?

by pistolpete in

i have a few jw relatives who are true believers.

by this i mean, they believe with all their heart that 1914 was the beginning of the last days, that this is the last generation, that we are in the very last of the last hour of this system of things, and that you should obey the governing body even if it does not make sense.

all of them are in their 60s and up into their 90s there is nothing you can say or show them to convince them or even cause a small doubt that the wt is not god organization.

waton

But here is where your “Gradations” in belief start to appear----------1975 After 1975 the House started to crumble slowly. pp:

before that was the revealing reversal of the Superior / supreme Authorities, Ja1 and Je2 vs the governments in the 60s.

Wt inc was wrong and Babylon t.G. was right. all along,

Nobody in their right mind could ever have absolute confidence in current wt teachings after that again. on any subject, object-tively.