Posts by waton

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The ransom makes no sense

by BourneIdentity in

if mankind needed to be redeemed from sin and death, why didn't the redemption happen as soon as jesus successfully lived his entire life without sin and sacrificed his life?

if he was successful, the price was paid and we'd all be living forever.

it's all bullshit, or jesus fucked up and sinned, so it nullified his sacrifice.

waton

look at those spinny things

Mv8, they looked actually like batons of cheerleaders, or propellers on a Merlin v12. what were they for ?

to allow for the ransom . because had A&E be able to get at the Tree of Life, (not a forbidden fruit bsw), we would have been ok, no ransom, human sacrifice needed, next Question:

Why did these first, near perfect people not talk the talking and listening snake into sneaking in and grab one of these "everlasting life" fruit, or a bite with seeds in them, and start a bio- pharma-business?

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The Joseph, story, as exploited by wt

by waton in

the current treatment of the "joseph " story at the wt meetings, uses him as an example of jws suffering, holding up under attack.

i reality the wt outfit is not the victim, but fits the 10 brothers that expelled, nearly killed that original whistleblower.

our example here, who prospered in different ways outside the wtbts inc's sphere of influence.

waton

the focus on the story about Joseph

K: the current focus is the result that the mid weak [sic] meeting is going through genesis right now.

Wt emphasis is on " we are like Joseph" when in reality they are like the 10 brothers. chewing on already leached out spiritual food, already proven without nutritional value, like the overlapping generation groups, their 24 tribes of Israel, seven assembly trumpets, at infinity.

In the bible, "Joseph" is now a tribe.

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The Joseph, story, as exploited by wt

by waton in

the current treatment of the "joseph " story at the wt meetings, uses him as an example of jws suffering, holding up under attack.

i reality the wt outfit is not the victim, but fits the 10 brothers that expelled, nearly killed that original whistleblower.

our example here, who prospered in different ways outside the wtbts inc's sphere of influence.

waton

shows God's sovereignty - that he had a plan

Ir80, You mean he planned a 7 year famine??? to teach the benefit of creating monopolies?

I agree, the story encourages the good, it should prevail. As "jesus" joseph was an anti-family-establishment hero. Interestingly,

In the 12 tribes of Rev.7, source or the 1444 000, The Joseph concept /personally re-emerges, with one of his sons, to get the double portion that he deserves. so

who is now of the "tribe of Joseph"? holding the minority opinion among the wt establishment that is doctrinally gone of the rails? ?

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The Joseph, story, as exploited by wt

by waton in

the current treatment of the "joseph " story at the wt meetings, uses him as an example of jws suffering, holding up under attack.

i reality the wt outfit is not the victim, but fits the 10 brothers that expelled, nearly killed that original whistleblower.

our example here, who prospered in different ways outside the wtbts inc's sphere of influence.

waton

The current treatment of the "Joseph " story at the wt meetings, uses him as an example of jws suffering, holding up under attack.

I reality the wt outfit is not the victim, but fits the 10 brothers that expelled, nearly killed that original whistleblower. He is

Our example here, who prospered in different ways outside the wtBtS inc's sphere of influence. hopefully.

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What to do with old publications

by TonyMorronTheTurd in

hi guys,.

it's been a while since i posted here, but i feel like posting again.. it's hard sometimes to find the energy to post here after i expend all my time working a full time job and pretending i care about the wt$ at the same time.. i've been trying to slowly wake my girlfriend up ever since i first posted here, and i must say it is a long waiting game that i am playing right now.

almost all my efforts are dismissed and i've been slowly losing hope.. anyways, what i meant to really post here today is about old publications.. honestly anything that has to do with the watchtower and jdubs, as of recently makes me feel like vomiting.

waton

Don't destroy them.

Some are very useful, take the proclaimers book. At the hall, a brother during the public talk fudged the "will never die" dateline, perhaps reading from the outline, and I was able to show him after the talk from the kh library, the 1918 date for that false, failed prophecy. later

They gave away a few mint editions of that work. priceless.

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Jephthah's Daughter

by Sea Breeze in

i have noticed that the foolishness of jephthah's vow to sacrifice his daughter gets bandied around a lot as somehow approved of by god.

i never could understand how people could come to this conclusion.

if i wrote about something terrible that my son had done, that doesn't mean that i am for that thing.

waton

Human sacrifice is the central theme of the Christian religion. demanded by "the giver" of all laws, gravity included.

free will? I gladly would give up mine, if it would be mandatory for potential adulterers, child rapists / killers, thieves, mis-"leader" like " der Ver-Fuehrer" ( the seducer)

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WTB&TS And The Lawyers They Employ.

by smiddy3 in

jw
friends

i have been thinking about the legal departments that look after the wts interests around the world.i can`t believe these legal eagles offer their services on a voluntary basis like the r&f do.and i don`t believe their services would come cheap.. as an organization the size of jw.org and its offshoots of companys and interests around the world ,the cost of keeping them gainfully employed must amount to a considerable sum of money.. especially the law suits against them with child abuse court cases that arise on a regular basis ,and the government inquiry`s into the jw religion that is happening in different countries now.. all paid for by the voluntary contributions that come from the r&f for the worldwide preaching work .. contributions to pay for the wt organization`s legal department to defend themselves in court ?.

did jesus and the apostles pay lawyers to defend them in a court of law with funds donated by their supporters ?.

waton

s3: even the despised craft of legal experts is known to take fee-free cases, when it suits them in suits. One might get the name in the news, and accolades, even front page of a national magazine as man of the year. oreven be convinced to be doing the "Lord's Work" so.

Yeah it is tough, better to have smithy, 'smithy & smithy' on retainer , or pro bono on your side.

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The flood and wars in the scriptures - waste of lives?

by menrov in

i have been thinking and was eventually wondering about the following:.

did the flood and all wars in the scriptures eventually bear the fruits that god hoped for?

is evil gone among humans?

waton

not in hThe reality is, every "church" that is not part of the Catholic Church is a form of idolatry.

tbk: there is no more blatantly idolatrous outfit than the RC church, but so what?

wars not in the bible waste of lives too, did not contribute to evolutionary selection.

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Infidelity amongst JWs

by YellowLab in

does there seem to be a higher incidence of infidelity amongst the jws?.

my brother, who is an active jw and ministerial servant, has an elder friend who was recently disfellowshipped for having an affair with another sister in the hall.

it turns out this sister was divorced a few years earlier from a "worldly" man who had an affair on her.