Posts by doubtfull1799

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An incredible video worth watching

by UnshackleTheChains in

for those of you who are dissillusioned jehovahs witnesses, but still have a love for god, his son and the bible, i urge you to watch the following video.

the lecture given by sean finnegan will help you see things more clearly as a christian.. personally, this has to be one of the best presentations ever given and now know my christian identity.

the answer is given in the video.

doubtfull1799

Thanks for the post, but sorry I need to offer an alternative view - I only got 2 mins in and already disagree with 3 of his initial broad premises:

1. Our time can be compared to the first 3 centuries of Christianity.

2. Back then they only used persuasion, not coercion.

3. People today are more than ever looking for authenticity.

I find his summation of religious history to make his point very shallow and superficial, not really any better than what the Society does. I'll keep listening to see if he reaches a good conclusion but its not a good start!

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Memorial Invitation 2018 : Subliminal Message ?

by jwdoctrine in

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http://jwdoctrine.com/memorial-invitation-2018-demonic-subliminal/.

memorial invitation : subliminal message.

at first glance, there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the invitation but on closer look a disturbing detail becomes apparent.it is in the upper right corner of the illustration of jesus christ celebrating the last supper with his disciples in the upper room...there seem to be trees outside the window but on closer inspection, all thanks to the pdf format of the invitation that allows you a very close look down to the fine detail, these are not trees but letters!!!.

doubtfull1799

You're succumbing to the human tendency to see patterns where there are none. Random lines can easily look like letters if yo are trying to see a pattern. This is a long bow to draw.

Besides, it has long been proven that subliminal messaging does not work, so why go to the time and trouble to use it?

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How do we Avoid...becoming Intellectually Dishonest?

by TerryWalstrom in

intellectual honesty: "i am willing to be wrong when facts go against cherished beliefs.".

are you willing to be wrong?.

without a willingness to be wrong (who can always be right?

doubtfull1799

Good post!

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March 2018 Broadcast - When quotes become rumors

by Listener in

this months broadcast is presented by losche and he discusses the need for trust in the fds.

the following is transcribed from the 12.30 mark.. satan also has the scheme to spread rumors about our brothers including the faithful slave.

the method of spreading rumors is not new.

doubtfull1799

Jehovah & Jesus trust the F&DS???? I don't remember them ever saying that.

Imagine if a couple of men came to your door and claimed to be working for the government but they had no offical badges, no letters of authority on a govt letterhead etc, nothing, but you must trust them because they say so and listen to everything they say.

Now imagine, that based on your skeptical hesitation, the same men then go on to claim that you have every reason to trust them because the Govt fully trusts them!!! The same Govt that doesn't even acknowledge their existence boy providing them with any credentials???

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March 2018 Broadcast - When quotes become rumors

by Listener in

this months broadcast is presented by losche and he discusses the need for trust in the fds.

the following is transcribed from the 12.30 mark.. satan also has the scheme to spread rumors about our brothers including the faithful slave.

the method of spreading rumors is not new.

doubtfull1799

stuckinarut2 speechless! Whaaaaaat????? Mic drop!

Just teasing... hehehehe :-)

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The Value Of Offence

by freemindfade in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uejzbx1iu0.

fantastic video by thermain trees, they always do a great job, this one was no exception.

worth the time.

doubtfull1799

I second that. I love their videos and the informed psychological research that underpins much of their work. I was initially put off a bit by the title, but wow, brilliantly reasoned and so valuable.

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Facing my own mortality!

by eyeuse2badub in

i’m 71 years old now.

seven decades plus.

but, i put that in perspective owing to the fact that my older brother died in 1992 at the age of only 51. it was a very sobering time for me even though i was only 45 at the time.

doubtfull1799

Good post. Something I struggle with.

I think Pete Zahut makes a good point I hadn't thought about before:

It's a difficult thing to come to grips with ones own mortality all at once rather than doing it gradually over ones lifetime

The constant suppression of our mortality over the years due to our false hope of not having to face it is no doubt not healthy psychologically and makes it that much harder when reality bites!

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Let's play the "what if" game - a little thought experiment.

by doubtfull1799 in

“if adam and eve hadn’t sinned they would have lived forever and we would all now be still living in paradise” is how watchtower theology goes, right.

(well not us personally, as history would have turned out completely differently and there would be different people on the planet, not us.

when you think about it you owe your very existence to the fact that they didn’t obey.

doubtfull1799

“If Adam and Eve hadn’t sinned they would have lived forever and we would all now be still living in paradise” is how Watchtower theology goes, right.

(Well not us personally, as history would have turned out completely differently and there would be different people on the planet, not us. When you think about it you owe your very existence to the fact that they didn’t obey. If they were faithful you wouldn’t be here to even ponder the point. I, for one, am so happy to be alive, so thank you Adam and Eve!)

OK, so lets take the thought experiment further, what if….

Only Eve sinned and Adam stayed faithful - would God have killed her immediately and given Adam a new wife? Would she also need to pass the same test? Or would Eve be allowed to live and reproduce as she was in the Bible account? Does this mean they would have perfect or imperfect children? Who's genes would override whom? Or would Adam be given another wife to have perfect children with? And Eve another husband? Would there be two races of humans - one perfect and the other with inherited sin, living side by side until the issue was settled?

Adam and Eve both remained faithful - wouldn’t the issue of sovereignty still exist because Satan already raised the challenge? The issue still existed regardless of whether Adam and Eve id the right or the wrong thing. Does that mean at some point some humans would have to try and live without God’s guidance to showcase/test Satan's side of the issue? How could the issue be settled or Satan proved wrong otherwise? Even if Adam and Eve obeyed wouldn’t history have been the same - at some point some humans would have misused their free will and wouldn’t that in fact be necessary to demonstrate the opposite of God rule?

Oh what a tangled theological web we weave in Watchtower's "what if" game…..

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And now for something you might be able to hear without repulsion

by TerryWalstrom in

i won't give a long preamble other than to say this.

listen and see how you respond.

and now i'm passing it along to get your feedback.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28i3lwxw5xs.

doubtfull1799

Listen to this rant and you'll see what he's all about:

https://youtu.be/EyYdGiJpyXk

"the superordinate principle" - his euphemism for God

"the state isn't salvation, the individual is salvation" - "how difficult that concept is to develop" - "nothing less self-evident than that" - I don't agree (at least I think I don't, its very hard to understand what he's really getting at most of the time.)

His mission is "resurrecting the dormant logos" ???? Yeah, thats clear.

I think he's in love with his own Jungian philosophy and his intellectual personal definitions for things (like God above), and perhaps the sound of his own voice.

He accuses atheists who don't agree with him of being shallow, not being "deep thinkers" - maybe they have thought as deeply as he has, but come to conclusions that are clearer than his.

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And now for something you might be able to hear without repulsion

by TerryWalstrom in

i won't give a long preamble other than to say this.

listen and see how you respond.

and now i'm passing it along to get your feedback.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28i3lwxw5xs.

doubtfull1799

"Hypertrue" "metatrue" Christ is a "meta hero" Please. "Soul construction" I don't feel my "spirit" was any more "articulated" after to listing to him.This is just more bad philosophy that is trying to say in a very intellectual and complicated way that there must be some higher truth that is not based in the facts of reality. Its just a disguised version of the "you can't have morality without God" argument. There are many ways to determine a moral framework or work out what a person "should" do that don't rely on any esoteric mumbo jumbo - does it cause physical or emotional harm and the veil of ignorance thought experiment are two that come to mind. I checked out another short video of his which was linked titled "the problem with atheism" where he uses the old "if there is no God you can do anything you want" argument. I don't think that puts him in the category of great thinkers. Its just annoying and insulting.