Posts by doubtfull1799

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2017 Sunday RC Final Talk & Comments About 1975

by baldeagle in

many of us here have commented on the deceitful friday afternoon video shown at the 2017 rc that discussed 1975.. the video attempted to shift the blame onto congregation members for the fiasco saying, "some were looking to a certain date as signifying the end of this old system of things.".

this same video mentions how, “a few even went so far as selling their homes and quitting their jobs.”.

we all know that the wt leadership created this teaching and endorsed it right up to its abject failure.. now below is the concluding talk given on sunday at the rc.

doubtfull1799

Listening further on he makes the spurious assertion (based on applying random events in JW history as fulfillments of prophecy) that ALL the prophecies (In Daniel?) that relate to the "anointed" have already been fulfilled, there is nothing more to happen! Inferring that there is nothing preventing Armageddon coming tomorrow...

Interesting that in the Finished Mystery book of 1917 the same claim was made 100 years ago - there is listed there 88 prophecies that were claimed to have been absolutely and without a doubt fulfilled in connection with the anointed by 1914.

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Creation account is the creation of Moses

by venus in

the word `intelligence' [from inter, “between” + legere, “ to read”] would mean ‘discern things as though reading in between the lines.

now read in between the lines of what moses wrote; his favored and frequent statement is this: ‘obedience to god means blessings, and disobedience means maledictions.’ (deut 28:1-68; 30:15-18) let us try to discern his motive behind this statement.. .

when moses wanted to present 10 commandments and other laws, he naturally wanted to prepare the israelites with a mind-set that ‘we must obey god, otherwise it is problem for us.’ the best way for this was to modify a well-known story of fall from other cultures.

doubtfull1799

There is no evidence that the person we know of as Moses in Scripture was actually the author. That is a Jewish tradition. Perhaps our Jewish experts on this forum can enlighten us more on the origins of that tradition. What you say may be true for who actually did author the Genesis account. From what I understand though it almost certainly was not Moses. For one thing, if Moses was an historical Israelite he was probably illiterate unless he was part of the priestly/scribal class - I don't know?

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The spinning blade of a Sword and the 2 Angels guarding the gate....

by stuckinarut2 in

for some reason i found myself shaking my head once again in disbelief at the story in genesis.. amongst all things, the very concept of a "flaming sword" spinning around and blocking the "entrance to the garden of eden" is so stupid!.

do people really believe that as a fact?.

seriously, swords were not even invented at that time!

doubtfull1799

Good point @redpiltwice - what a waste of talent!

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The spinning blade of a Sword and the 2 Angels guarding the gate....

by stuckinarut2 in

for some reason i found myself shaking my head once again in disbelief at the story in genesis.. amongst all things, the very concept of a "flaming sword" spinning around and blocking the "entrance to the garden of eden" is so stupid!.

do people really believe that as a fact?.

seriously, swords were not even invented at that time!

doubtfull1799

I've come to the conclusion that its all about theatrics. If God exists as he is portrayed in the Bible he must have been a theatre major. The angels would have been sufficient to guard the garden. If he wanted to kill everyone he could have just zapped them. The sword, the flood, its all just theatrics...

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International Covention...my elevator ride with head of Bethel and his ass kiss assistant!!

by Witness 007 in

melbourne international convention australia, thousands of watchtower robots and i happened to get in an elevator with viv mouritz one of the main men at bethel.

he had a young pretty sister who was escorting him around.

i stood behind them and rocognized him instantly.

doubtfull1799

Hey I remember that convention well too. It was my last one before I woke up. I was asleep then, but even so I still found S.Lett's antics very disturbing...

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Are Witnesses TRULY Honest, Humble and Hungry? (The 3 H's)

by stuckinarut2 in

how many times did we hear the worn out expression "that anyone who accepts the "truth" needs to have the 3 h's".

yes, they must be "honest hearted.

hungry for truth, and humble enough to accept that they need to change".

doubtfull1799

Absolutely, but that new H replaces the others, not adds to them.

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Who holds the Burden Of Proof?

by stuckinarut2 in

when we as former witnesses wake up and choose to leave the society, it is mainly because we value truth and honesty.. the society tries to make out that we are in the wrong.

that we have "left the truth".. but, who really holds the burden of proof?

do we (who leave) need to prove that the society is not the "truth", or does the society need to prove that it is the "truth".. thoughts?.

doubtfull1799

I think the burden of proof should always be on the one making the claim of truth. It is not up to us to falsify it. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence is the Atheist motto, right?
I was thinking of another issue along the same lines - how we always get accused of "leaving Jehovah." Yet is that accurate? Is it not in fact God who is absent? God who is silent? Though I used to convince myself otherwise by a process of confirmation bias, the fact is that God has never done anything for me or answered me when I prayed to Him... it was all a one sided affair. So how can you have left a person who was never even there for you in the first place?

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What is behind your choice of forum user name?

by stuckinarut2 in

jw
friends

just curious how we all think.. what prompted or influenced your choice of username for this forum?.

there are some really amazing names, and it would be great to hear the stories behind them.... mine was nothing fancy.

i just felt "stuck in a rut too" along with so many others.

doubtfull1799

Mine, of course, is a reference to the date that used to be what 1914 is now - the start of the time of the end or the last days.... the anti-1914 that has been whitewashed from Watchtower history so completely it didn't rate even one mention in the Proclaimers book or the new God's Kingdom Rules book (which does at least acknowledge 1877/88)

It reminds me of the old adage: "Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it."

The most recent Watchtower video that I commented on the other day again assures us that there could not possible be any other century which so perfectly fits the "sign." Yet 1799 reminds us that they thought the same things about the 19th Century. They were just as absolutely convinced (and wrong) as they are now!

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William Malenfant's appalling hate speech - latest morning worship video

by doubtfull1799 in

so he tries to prove that we are living in the last days without any evidence, but instead a series of unsubstantiated assertions ("never has there been a time with so much lack love and affection").

and uses things that are not even part of the so-called "sign" (abortions, pollution).

then proceeds to ridicule the "ridiculers," stereotype them, and declare they are only fit for destruction!.

doubtfull1799

@steve2 Good point. He refuses to acknowledge how many of the "changes" in this century he is benefitting from.

@Bluesbrother. So true. Anyone who thinks this century is more immoral or violent etc than any other is simply ignorant and needs to study history more...

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Jehovah's Witnesses act like 'Flirts' with people!

by stuckinarut2 in

we were just musing that jws act in a "flirtatious" manner with people in the community.. they show such "sincere" interest in people when they call.

they seem like such kind, caring and thoughtful people - really interested in their lives and welfare.. people are often quite impressed with the jws manner, and their well dressed presentation.

people (especially vulnerable ones who are going through difficult pressures in life), are drawn in and made to feel special by the witnesses as they call back.. return visits take place.

doubtfull1799

Interesting observation Stuck