Posts by Steel

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What woke you up?

by MrRoboto in

for me, i think it was just the right time as i was starting to wake up on other fronts as well (anyone who had went through these will know what i mean).

but it started when i was looking for what info goes on a publisher card, which led to me reading one person's story (ex bethelite) which was pretty crazy to an all-in jw but who trusts those apostates...?.

then i started watching videos on cults, as if my subconscious was trying to tell my concord mind something... when i saw a particular one about a young man in lds getting ready to start their 2 year preaching campaign, including a school, social activities etc, i realized that i couldn't tell the difference between the folks of this mormon cult and the jws (save for some religious differences) .

Steel

I read a book called " the two powers in heaven" by a man named Allan Sagel.

Without going into to much detail it basically explained who new testament writer thought Jesus was , using the old testament and intertestmental books as reference. It wasn't even anti watchtower. It was just basic bible theology.

Its really quite simple. It's doesn't matter if you are Christian or not.

The watchtower was essentially the nonsense after that. It's just a complex twisted bamboozle to disprove easy concepts.

Mind you I was only a study.

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What Did You Imagine Jehovah To Look Like?

by pale.emperor in

what did you imagine jehovah to look like?

i always pictured him like this:.

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Steel

The Bible says Jesus is the visible image of the invisible God so I just assume he looks like the concept of what Jesus looks like. In most near death experiences people report seeing a Jesus type figure. Essentially Jesus is the avatar of God.

This idea for some reason doesn't seem to register with jehovah witnesses for some reason.

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KISS - Knights In Satan's Service

by Funchback in

growing up as a jw, i was told that kiss stood for knights in satan's system (or service).. i just did a google search and learned it's not true.

it's actually not an acronym for anything.. to be honest, apparently it's not just the jws who believe it means something related to satan.. http://www.snopes.com/music/hidden/kiss.asp.

one day paul [stanley] and peter [criss] and i were driving around, brainstorming for new names.

Steel

I saw an interview with Peter Chris once asking if Kiss were a satanists. He replied " last I checked were are still two jews, a Lutheran and a Catholic ".

I was raised in the church and Kiss was public enemy number one. It's wasn't till was nearly 40 I realized they were about as scary as the beach boys. My office mate listened to them over and over.

Essentially they were just a pop act disguised as rock and roll. I wouldn't even call them metal . They have never gotten much respect from radio or even there musical peers. Gene and Paul never cared as long as they got paid.

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Watchtower Study June 18 from April 2017 issue

by BluesBrother in

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-april-2017/judge-of-all-earth-always-does-what-is-right/.

the judge of all the earth always does what is right.

intended as a confidence builder in the organization ..see what you think.. theme is from deuteronomy but it is really highlighting that passage in genesis where abraham had a dialogue with god, (gen.18) would god destroy sodom if 50 righteous men would perish?

Steel

How long has the WTS just been either legalistic nonsense or revelations based rubbish.

Is it me or is it getting worse? It must be incredibly strange for any outsider to attend a meeting. Especially for anyone coming from a Christian upbringing.

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Hello again

by BlackWolf in

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friends

hello everyone, it's been a while since i've posted anything on here so i thought i might give an update.

next month i turn 18 and my mom is constantly berating me about getting baptized, so much so that my siblings have even told her to stop.

ive just been flat out telling her no which i know is irritating her.

Steel

Tell them you will do it for 100000 dollars cash money, tax free. Enough for a university education and seed money for a new life.

If they want to make a mockery of it be just as stupid as them.

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Do You Have Any Indoctrinated Guilt Left Over?

by pale.emperor in

i voted this morning for the first time.

at 32yo i wondered in a church of england parish hall with no idea what i was doing.

everyone else knew how to do it.

Steel

The idea of a blood transfusion tends to give me the creeps . Not that i would die over it but still, all the junk science breaks you down and especially with those aids related deaths in the early 80s.

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Elder "D": Catholics No Longer Believe in a Trinity

by Saename in

so in this topic, i mentioned i had a conversation with an elder "d." this elder said that the catholic church admitted the trinity is unscriptural.

i'm pretty sure this is not true.

the doctrine of trinity is the most fundamental belief in the catholic church.

Steel

The idea of a bi unity of Jesus and God comes out of the old testament and the generally idea what new testament writers believed about Jesus. I don't feel like writing another essay about it but it's generally pretty simple.

It's not some Devine revelation bullshit like the watchtower teaches but a matter of understanding old testaments quotes and ideas used in the new testament.

I really don't know why they think they have such a slam dunk on the subject.

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Yesterday's Watchtower Study 11 June 2017

by BluesBrother in

"what will go when god's kingdom comes?

" from april w/tower.

we start with a picture of jesus riding a white horse into battle, galloping towards terrified people in darkness.

Steel

I kind of bothers me that the average jw can't explain the book of Romans, what the new conevant is, what is the difference between the old and new testaments is or what old testament Christalogy is yet they have figured out the book of revelations and we are all going to die.

They are literally the nation inquirer of religion.

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More scullduggery in the New World Translation?

by NikL in

i was reading in jude last night in the esv bible.. i came across this little gem as i was falling asleep and woke right up.. jude 1:5.

5 now i want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that jesus, who saved a people out of the land of egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.

jesus who saved a people out of egypt?

Steel

In the old testament is says

1. The Lord leads his people out of Egypt

2. An angel with the name in him of Lord leads his people out of Egypt.

3. The presence of the Lord lead his people of Egypt.

It's the odd interchangeability of these statements which lead to the idea of the diety of Jesus.

Also the old testament is full of statements like " the angel of the jehovah appeared and jehovah said " or " the word of the jehovah appeared and jehovah said.

YouTube Jesus in the old testament by Michael heiser. It's pretty cool stuff. It really shows how the old and new testaments are connected and how it's really is the story of God and Jesus from beginning to end.

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More scullduggery in the New World Translation?

by NikL in

i was reading in jude last night in the esv bible.. i came across this little gem as i was falling asleep and woke right up.. jude 1:5.

5 now i want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that jesus, who saved a people out of the land of egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.

jesus who saved a people out of egypt?

Steel

The visible touchable manifestations of God in old testament are generally thought to be Jesus Christ. He either appears as the angel of the Lord or word of the Lord. It's says no one has ever seen God only the son in the book of John.

Essentially you have invisible ever present God and Devine manifestion yet they are basically the same thing. It's the whole reason why it makes more sense to use the general title lord than the personal identification of jehovah.

Once you understand what new testament writers are referencing what statements like " he is the visible image of the invisible god" or " Jesus is the perfect representation of the father"......it's just makes it kind of hard to take the watchtower very serious.

Once I started to understand the idea of Jesus in the old testament, I had to stop attending. This very subject woke me up to how stupid wts theology.