i noticed that in paragraph 13 they mention the girl sheryl that i believe was the same girl that was in their video about the typhoon that hit the philippines back in 2013. they talk as if she's so happy and thankful to jehovah even mention that she lost most of her family in that typhoon.
what they don't mention was her family members that were killed in that typhoon were inside a kh thinking they were going to be protected by jehovah since they were in gods house and his people and all.
they also fail to mention that the government authorities were telling people to get out of town but the elders were most likely telling the people in their congregations to stick around and just come to the hall.
Cedars did a good article on this bearing in mind the relative lack of information. It's worth a re-read
http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/why-the-governing-body-owes-an-explanation-for-what-happened-in-the-philippines
I'd forgotten much of this and the question of why Witnesses had not evacuated to somewhere outside of the critical danger zone is one I suspect we will never get the true answer to.
edit - "the days of noah" damn!.
long story short - i need to go to bed!
i was in edinburgh today with my wife (football, coffee, walks, food, cinema) and i always try to take 10 minutes to have a chat with the jws on the trolley in the "big city".. i challenged an older guy who turned out to be an pioneer about the generation.
I've not heard anyone suggest anything about the generation of Noah and 120 years but that does not mean it has not crossed peoples' minds. Bear in mind however that the last QfR regarding this subject tended to downplay the significance of the time period and suggest that Noah only knew about the Flood 40-50 years before it occurred.
w10 12/15 pp. 30-31
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2010928
Of course, that is not to say there is not an advantage to the WTS if this thinking does gain popular traction through rumour and osmosis. As someone said above, it takes the heat off the WTS whilst giving them plausible deniability that they never actually suggested a link.
BTW - when I say "before it occurred" I just mean in the words of the WTS, not that that it actually occurred.
my fave was roy renouf - district overseer.
always had time for me and seemed to keep thigs real.. heard that on a zone vist he told the governing body the branch was told old and grumpy or something like that!.
worst was michael purbrick.
my fave was roy renouf - district overseer.
always had time for me and seemed to keep thigs real.. heard that on a zone vist he told the governing body the branch was told old and grumpy or something like that!.
worst was michael purbrick.
Philip Rose. Utter weasel. I don't hate many people but he is right up there on my list of Brian Cants.
John Stanbridge. Odd but pretty harmless.
Tony Tavener. Genuine and humble man.
Mike Seidler. Greasy pole artist.
Colin Conradie. Top bloke.
Richard Cullen. Loved by the congregation but hated by the elders for being two faced.
David Carter - Loves the sound of his own voice and wished he had been Tommy Cooper.
David Algar - Entertaining but as my I grew ever more cynical about the whole thing I just found him increasingly pompous.
Peter Morgan - Nice bloke overall.
Dave Rastell - Quite liked him really 'cos he stood up for me when my elders were being plonkers.
so, i haven't lurked here in a long while however, i have been checking up more frequently and i saw that there is a rumor going around about getting barred from marriage if the brother not appointed by the time he is 23. is that true?
if it is, i am so screwed haha.
proud fader present within college.
when i first came to this forum i was of the belief that those of us who were still in due to family reasons were few in numbers perhaps one in a thousand in the jws.
soon i came to the realization that there were many more.
we have dozens of posters here who are mentally out but still in.
when i first came to this forum i was of the belief that those of us who were still in due to family reasons were few in numbers perhaps one in a thousand in the jws.
soon i came to the realization that there were many more.
we have dozens of posters here who are mentally out but still in.
Still living the lie. Mentally out since the second half of 2012 but struggling to make a full break as I cannot convince my wife on TTATT. I do not want to get DF/DA'ed as that would strain the wider family ties too much.
I wish I knew some other closet apostates locally that I could share thoughts with. I've met up with a couple of people from here which has been great.
my name is russ, i'm 40 years old, from the uk, and i left the jws nearly 5 years ago.
i've been a member of the yuku board throughout that time, so there are probably some on here who know me already.
there seems to be more activity over here at the moment, so i thought i'd pop in and say hi.i was raised as a jw, started questioning it when i was 16, but there was no internet back then (well, no www anyway) so i got sucked right in and got baptized when i was 18. auxiliary pioneered on and off for a couple of years, then became a ministerial servant.
Hi Russ,
Good to hear from you. Not sure where you are in the country but Sussex was (and still is I think) pretty strong on the Portuguese groups. It's possible we share some contacts....
K99
make them work harder and keep them busy so that they may not pay attention to lies.. ex 5:9 .
whaddaya all think?.
i am 6th generation.
i have been out for a few years.. back story on the situation:.
i had a co come by while going door-to-door in the neighborhood.
Having doubts is not a DF offence. Publicly talking about those doubts or suggesting alternative views openly can easily lead to being DF'ed.
Elders might seem like they want to understand you but you cannot trust anyone when they are acting in an "official" capacity. They can take your words and twist them very easily if they choose to do so.
So, it's probably OK to say "I just find it very difficult to get my head around things like the way the understanding of generations has changed".
But then to add "So I really find it difficult to trust that F&DS really know what they are talking about" can set the alarm bells going.
The obvious and less confrontational tack from the elders is "but you are sure Jehovah exists, you are sure his Kingdom is coming, aren't you? We just need faith in that and the rest does not matter." If you then start questioning that then again, the alarm bells start ringing.
Asking questions about the difference between "where" and "whom", birthdays, mediation etc. are all fine in principle and might be possible with a trusted friend but could very easily be a one way street to a JC if you confront a CO or arsey elder. Don't forget, they only have to form one and invite you. Who cares if you turn up or not. You're toast.
There is a reason why so many simply say "I'm depressed".
