Interesting thoughts Outlaw but it's a pretty big step to go from managing your own telecoms infrastructure to support the needs of the HQ facilities in the NE US to providing ISP services to Witnesses across the world. Not impossible but I am not sure that it will go that far.
konceptual99
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Will JW.ORG actually harm the WT Society Long Term ?
by flipper inmy son and i were discussing this yesterday over coffee.
since the wt society in previous years virtually demonized going on the internet at all for jw's - now wt leaders are doing a complete turn around or about face probably so as to " compete " or keep up with all the anti-jw websites that are out there to give the wt society point of view.. however- it very well may backfire on them as once people start doing google searches looking for jw.org it will bring up all the other websites dealing with any jw issues and in the privacy of their own homes out of curiosity i'm sure lots of jw's are going to want to check out some of these sites to see what all the " apostate " hoopla is all about.
i wonder how many jw's will do this and will it have an effect in opening more minds to other views ?
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Circuit Accounts Servants Confesses how the SCAM WORKS!!
by JT inyes, i too have wondered how an assembly that is held in a fully paid for assembly hall, with no food service, could possibly have $10,000 in expenses.
i suppose the bethel speakers have transportation expenses - maybe $1000 or so.
as for rent on the assembly hall, well you have already paid for it once, why pay again?
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konceptual99
Which is exactly what goes on @gonzobear
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No more literature counters?
by konceptual99 inthere is a thread on jwtalk suggesting that the latest hall designs do not feature a literature desk.
the dubs will pick up gear from a self serve kiosk in the hall, just enough for their immediate needs.. time will tell if this is true but if so then it relfects the reducing emphasis on printed material.
also, i think there is another by product.
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There is a thread on jwtalk suggesting that the latest hall designs do not feature a literature desk. The dubs will pick up gear from a self serve kiosk in the hall, just enough for their immediate needs.
Time will tell if this is true but if so then it reflects the reducing emphasis on printed material. Also, I think there is another by product. You don't need two or three literature servants. One brother fills the kiosk when it needs refilling and that's it. We all know how the congregations are suffering from a lack of desire to reach out. I am not saying this the is thinking but anything that means you need less willing volunteers...
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Circuit Accounts Servants Confesses how the SCAM WORKS!!
by JT inyes, i too have wondered how an assembly that is held in a fully paid for assembly hall, with no food service, could possibly have $10,000 in expenses.
i suppose the bethel speakers have transportation expenses - maybe $1000 or so.
as for rent on the assembly hall, well you have already paid for it once, why pay again?
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Interesting figures in the latest East Pennine Hall accounts....
Operating costs....£162,975
Other resources expended £135,924, with £345k the year before and £314k the year before that, apparently for refurbishment.
The accounts from 31/8/11 says...
ACHIEVEMENT AND PERFORMANCE
Charitable activities
During the year a refurbishment project was undertaken of the assembly hall. The trustees reserved £400,000 for the work, £314,674 was spent during the year.So, perhaps they are showing almost £800k for refurb over 3 years when they reserverd £400k, which of course was not reserved from exisiting assets, it would have been asked in extra donations from the R&F.
This whilst showing assets of £6 million....
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Circuit Accounts Servants Confesses how the SCAM WORKS!!
by JT inyes, i too have wondered how an assembly that is held in a fully paid for assembly hall, with no food service, could possibly have $10,000 in expenses.
i suppose the bethel speakers have transportation expenses - maybe $1000 or so.
as for rent on the assembly hall, well you have already paid for it once, why pay again?
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These are the public records from the Charities Commission web site on the halls in England. You can check cash on hand etc. by looking at the accounts.
The interesting one, as I have noted before, is the Surrey Assembly Hall (Haysbridge). This is the obvious cash cow. I was a little surprised that most of the other halls are showing income/expenses as roughly even, sometimes having cost considerably more in expenses than got in. A little digging in the accounts may explain why this is, for example there are some large somes put down to depreciation as opposed to specific expenses.
It's also interesting that Dudley had the same income two years running.
Surrey Assembly Hall
Financial summary
Financial year end (FYE) Income Spending Accounts received Annual Return/Annual Update received View 31 Aug 2013 Not received (85 days overdue) Not received (85 days overdue) 31 Aug 2012 £455,519 £143,910 02 Jun 2013 02 Jun 2013 Accounts 31 Aug 2011 £308,033 £158,254 31 Mar 2012 31 Mar 2012 Accounts 31 Aug 2010 £330,712 £148,359 15 Feb 2011 29 Jan 2011 Accounts 31 Aug 2009 £319,635 £140,463 11 Jan 2010 04 Oct 2010 (96 days late) Accounts East Pennine Hall
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Financial year end (FYE) Income Spending Accounts received Annual Return/Annual Update received View 31 Aug 2013 £258,687 £298,899 20 Feb 2014 20 Feb 2014 Accounts 31 Aug 2012 £244,243 £344,419 21 Feb 2013 21 Feb 2013 Accounts 31 Aug 2011 £238,504 £349,893 29 Mar 2012 26 Apr 2012 Accounts 31 Aug 2010 £226,504 £216,317 23 Feb 2011 23 Feb 2011 Accounts 31 Aug 2009 £220,779 £222,194 03 Feb 2010 03 Feb 2010 Accounts Manchester Assembly Hall
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Financial year end (FYE) Income Spending Accounts received Annual Return/Annual Update received View 31 Aug 2013 £178,991 £182,351 30 Jun 2014 30 Jun 2014 Accounts 31 Aug 2012 £184,083 £160,296 27 Jun 2013 27 Jun 2013 Accounts 31 Aug 2011 £183,453 £142,112 28 Jun 2012 28 Jun 2012 Accounts 31 Aug 2010 £141,342 £168,603 20 Mar 2011 15 Mar 2011 Accounts 31 Aug 2009 £148,227 £249,850 26 Jun 2010 25 Jun 2010 Accounts North London Assembly Hall
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Financial year end (FYE) Income Spending Accounts received Annual Return/Annual Update received View 31 Aug 2013 £197,985 £181,806 10 Feb 2014 10 Feb 2014 Accounts 31 Aug 2012 £200,288 £178,125 18 Feb 2013 18 Feb 2013 Accounts 31 Aug 2011 £199,742 £195,740 13 Feb 2012 13 Feb 2012 Accounts 31 Aug 2010 £206,840 £280,151 15 Mar 2011 22 Mar 2011 Accounts 31 Aug 2009 £215,583 £212,659 02 Mar 2010 01 Mar 2010 Bristol Assembly Hall
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Financial year end (FYE) Income Spending Accounts received Annual Return/Annual Update received View 31 Aug 2013 £157,170 £141,541 04 Mar 2014 17 Apr 2014 Accounts 31 Aug 2012 £153,480 £254,110 07 May 2013 07 May 2013 Accounts 31 Aug 2011 £161,215 £215,353 22 Feb 2012 28 Mar 2012 Accounts 31 Aug 2010 £150,523 £174,916 16 May 2011 27 Mar 2012 (271 days late) Accounts 31 Aug 2009 £159,942 £171,329 10 May 2010 08 Jun 2010 Accounts Dudley Assembly Hall
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Financial year end (FYE) Income Spending Accounts received Annual Return/Annual Update received View 31 Aug 2013 £188,907 £160,568 28 Apr 2014 28 Apr 2014 Accounts 31 Aug 2012 £194,414 £135,131 29 Mar 2013 29 Mar 2013 Accounts 31 Aug 2011 £179,596 £148,113 13 Mar 2012 28 Feb 2012 Accounts 31 Aug 2010 £179,596 £148,113 15 Feb 2011 15 Feb 2011 Accounts 31 Aug 2009 £176,574 £113,460 14 May 2010 14 May 2010 Accounts -
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Blown away-- where to go from here
by All for show ini stumbled upon this website a few weeks ago due to the jw.org ridiculousness, since then i haven't been able to pull myself away.
the thoughts, feelings, and concerns i have had the past few years aren't just mine.
it's global.
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konceptual99
Welcome AllForShow. I, and many others here, can really empathise as we are or have been in a very similar boat. I am still executing a long game after 2 years of reasearch and getting to know TTATT. Don't be in a rush to fill what you think you are losing with something else. Keep researching the alternatives until logic, reason and evidence help you decide what you think are the reasonable options. My belief in the vast majority of WT docitrine crashed down in a very short space of time but I am still working some things out thanks to years of being spoon fed my base attitudes. It can take time so don't be afraid to reasearch what you would have dismissed out of hand a few weeks ago.
Keep in touch on the site, ask questions and let us know how you are doing.
ATB. K99
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One Day Assembly Costs How Much, WTF?
by NoMoreHustle inthe recent circuit assembly day cost get this... $17,0000 in an assembly hall that they own!
this was announced during the assmbly at the 3/4 mark of days activities.
after he said how much the assembly cost, he then proceeded to say that we have recieved $6,000 in donations up to this point of the day.
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How many people were at the CA? What's the per head cost? at the Surrey Assembly hall in the UK, most assemblies are in the 6-700 attendees mark. Costs, as I recall, are IRO £5-6000, around £8-10 per head. The donations are around double the operating costs according to the accounts on the charity commission website last time I checked.
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Street Work is hard! Take a look.
by Wasanelder Once inremember how we were told to engage people on the street, that standing and holding the magazines was not countable time?
those days are gone.
they have been reduced to the status of those guys on the street who hold huge "little ceaser" pizza signs and "homes for sale".
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konceptual99
Doubt it. The Royal Mail van in the background pins this picture to the UK somewhere.
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JW.ORG signs to be put on all Kingdom Halls! New directive.
by stuckinarut2 inso i have been told that all kingdom halls are to have a large jw.org sign placed prominently out the front..... can anyone confirm this?.
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konceptual99
THe one at our hall has arrived. They were working out where to put it yesterday...
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Where can I find a list of speakers for Twickenham this year?
by usualusername injust curious who was selected to speak.
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erm... my recollection...
Sam Herd
Some bloke who sounds and even looks a bit like Charles Hawtrey
Colin Conrady (sp?)