Praying for apostates

by BubbaBoBobBrain in

i had heard that jehovah's witnesses cannot pray for disfellowshipped individuals or apostates.

is this true?.

CAN YOU PRAY FOR DISFELLOWSHIPPED ONES?

No - w71 6/15 p. 384 Questions From Readers

Would it be proper to pray for him? In loyalty to Jehovah and his arrangements the Christian would refrain from praying for him.

Only if it's not a 'deadly' sin - w79 10/15 p. 31 Questions From Readers

So he may conclude that it seems she has not committed 'deadly sin' and he may be moved to pray for her.

Only if they are repentant - w01 10/1 p. 17 par. 15 How Can You Help a "Prodigal" Child?

If a disfellowshipped youth gives evidence of repentance but does not have "freeness of speech toward God," the parents might pray that if God finds a basis for pardoning the child's error, that His will be done.

Yes, but not publicly - w01 12/1 p. 31 Questions From Readers

While some may be in a position to observe sufficient evidence to believe that the sinner has repented, this may not be the case with the congregation in general. They would be puzzled, troubled, even stumbled if they were to hear someone praying publicly about the erring one. For this reason, those who feel moved to pray about the sinner should do so only in private.

Not if they are unrepentant - jr (2013) chap.11 p.139 par.20 "Shepherds in Agreement With My Heart"

In that case, elders do not pray publicly for one who is expelled and is pursuing a sinful course; it would be pointless to do so.

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Research help needed: knowledge of Knights Templar and Masonic history vital

by Fay Dehr in

i am in conversation with a uk historian regarding some knights templar locations, where jws have built buildings.

*** this is serious research - not a joke *** .

i am not - and do not wish to be - a conspiracy theorist, but something has come to light in the uk and i lack the knowledge of knights templar + masons.

Splash

The pub near to Temple Farm is The Three Compasses.

Unfortunately the stocks on Lower Stocks Road have been removed, a fitting punishment for the GB.

But that this is a templar/masonic area is beyond doubt. Take a look at the pdf at this link.

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LEAKED: WHQ Accounts: 2016-2020 Budget

by Fay Dehr in

leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 1 of 5] https://youtu.be/g08tw2v3b4s.

leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 2 of 5] https://youtu.be/rpceb5v0vbe.

leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 3 of 5] https://youtu.be/2xa08ukc_6i.

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cofty The GB introduced a 'simplified' model where mags were to be given away for free but expected JWs to contribute

I well remember the transition to a 'simplified' model.

The WT clearly underestimated your average JWs love of free stuff however because they had to follow up with repeated reminders that "literature is not free, it is without cost", and that the idea wasn't to allow every JW to suddenly order themselves a full theocratic library at the expense of the WT society.

I wonder what that unplanned consequence cost them as every JW promptly ordered Insight volumes for themselves and their friends.

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Upcoming Tidal Wave of Media Onslaught targeting Jehovah's Witnesses ahead...

by TerryWalstrom in

at least three media venues have undertaken the daunting task of unpacking the insidious dark side of jehovah's witnesses' organization.1.

douglas quenqua is a writer based in new york.

his work has appeared in the new york times, wired, redbook, and cnbc.

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Vidiot if any dyed-in-the-wool JW starts decrying this stuff as "apostate-driven lies"

Just show them the clip of Jackson at the ARC

In this clip Jackson admits:

There have been problems in the JW organization, just like other organizations.
These child abuse problems have existed for 20-30 years within the organization.
The JW organization and it's elders are not immune from the problems of child sexual abuse.
Those highlighting these issues are not attacking JW's or their beliefs.
The person making the accusations do not matter, only if the accusation has a basis.
They want to treat victims in a loving way

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They are increasingly appealing to emotion

by cookiemaster in

they always have but lately, they've taken it to a whole new level.

the new convention video about the end, the many videos at conventions and meetings, the new songs, all highly emotionally manipulative.

and they're working.

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These extreme videos will wake some up.

It will dawn on some that sci-fi movies have no place in religion because religion should be more than superficial special effects set to a dramatic and emotional soundtrack.

They will realise that there's nothing of substance left anymore.

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144000 The numbers don't add up

by LevelThePlayingField in

in 1935 there were 63,146 who attended the memorial and 52,465 partook.

(proclaimers book page 717).

according to the bible teach book on page 78, it says, “since the days of the apostles, god has been selecting faithful christians in order to complete the number 144,000”.

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Don't forget the early congregations:

There were "many in Joppa" (Acts 9:42),

"a great number from Antioch" (Acts 11:21),

"a great multitude in Iconium" (Acts 14:1),

"quite a few in Derbe" (Acts 14:21),

"a great multitude" in Thessalonica (Acts 17:4),

"Many" in Beroea (Acts 17:12),

"Jews and Greeks" in Corinth (Acts 18:4), and

"many thousands (literally 'myriads' - 10,000's) of converted Jews" (Acts 21:20).

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Getting personal data erased

by Damascus in

request for personal data erasure under gdpr refused on clause which says religious organisations can keep records.

the following is in their privacy policy:.

upon receipt of your written request, after you provide sufficient evidence of your identity and enough information to permit us to identify your personal data, the applicable data controller will fairly consider granting the request by balancing the interests of the individual in gaining access to data or correcting or deleting data against the legitimate interests of the organization, including whether granting the request would endanger the organization’s right to religious freedom and practice.

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It will come down to whether the org would prefer to delete any of your data or not.

Anything incriminating against them and it'll go. Everything else they'll keep.

It doesn't really matter what the law requires, JW's aren't bound by such trivialities.

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The Label Of "Apostate" And It's Effects

by pale.emperor in

in my psychology studies we've been examining the use of "labels" and how they influence peoples behaviour.

i sometimes wonder if the gb or their helpers know exactly what they're doing when it comes to psychological manipulation.. it's been observed that by labeling someone or something it changes your entire perception of that person or thing.

it colours it entirely, quite unfairly in some cases.