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  Fossilized foot prints, how do they explain it away?

  by Crazyguy in

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  so there have been many sets of fossilized human footprints found in africa, italy, europe, britain and new mexico.

  these foot prints are thought to be anywhere from 20,000 to 2 million years old.

  so what do christians and jws do to try to explain these away.

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  Sanchy

  They do mention that the earth is billions of years old now. Here's a quick one I found at jw.org faq:

  Age of the earth. Some creationists teach that the earth is just a few thousand years old. However, according to the Bible, the earth and the universe existed before the six days of creation. (Genesis 1:1) For that reason, Jehovah’s Witnesses have no objection to credible scientific research that indicates the earth may be billions of years old.
  

  But Master_Bob is right, they do believe the Earth was there BEFORE the creative days began, which of course makes no sense. Here's a quote from the Insight book under "Creation":

  Genesis 1:1, 2 relates to a time before the six “days” outlined above. When these “days” commenced, the sun, moon, and stars were already in existence, their creation being referred to at Genesis 1:1. However, prior to these six “days” of creative activity “the earth proved to be formless and waste and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep.” (Ge 1:2) Apparently, a swaddling band of cloud layers still enveloped the earth, preventing light from reaching its surface.
  
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  Nothing like politics or religion to bring out "the best" in us huh

  by Sanchy in

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  i've never seen so many friends and even family members tearing each other up as i've seen happen during this election.

  i've literally seen a ton of posts in fb today of ppl asking to be unfriended by any who voted for a particular candidate.

  what america looks like today: .

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  I've never seen so many friends and even family members tearing each other up as I've seen happen during this election. I've literally seen a ton of posts in FB today of ppl asking to be unfriended by any who voted for a particular candidate. What America looks like today:

  https://youtu.be/YggNHQwE1EI

  Perhaps it's something we needed to get out of our system?
  
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  November JW broadcast is up, this time on not telling the truth, shunning

  by bohm in

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  2. friends

  november broadcast is up:.

  https://www.jw.org/download/?fileformat=mp4&output=html&pub=jwb&issue=201611.

  we learn interesting things.

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  Sanchy

  I cut and pasted two small sections of the broadcast in the following video clip. In the first 20 seconds he describes how truth is concrete and how Jehovah is the "revealer of truth", yet on the second half of the clip he explains how our understanding of truth in modern times is fluid and imperfect.

  https://youtu.be/rLIVhDnfhrw

  If this is the case, why can't we say Catholics are not in the process of also "understanding truth"? What about Protestants, Muslims and Buddhists? Can't they just be in the process of understanding truth too? Why does only the governing body have the right to be "imperfect" and "progressive" in their understanding of truth?
  
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  Can a Person Resign From Being One of Jehovah’s Witnesses?

  by UnshackleTheChains in

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  2. beliefs

  how many witnesses are aware that technically, according to watchtower policy, they can if they wish too...associate with dissociated and disfellowshipped relatives.

  for all those who are dissociated or disfellowshipped, please share this with your relatives who are currently shunning you.

  there is nothing the elders can do as long as they are not discussing spiritual matters.

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  Unshackle, this loophole and others do exist, but it seems to me that only ex-elders would be able to take advantage of them, since only they (in theory) would know what the elder book says or doesn't say.

  If someone that was never an elder were to start using quotes from the elder book, I suspect they'd still find reasons to charge said person with other sins such as "brazen conduct" mentioned by Stephan in his comment above.

  I myself, as an ex-elder, took advantage of the "must admonish once and twice BEFORE setting up a JC" loophole to get my judicial committee cancelled. You can find the LINK HERE.
  
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  End of world preachers

  by untruth in

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  2. bible

  when it comes to predicting when the world will end, false prophets/preachers always find a way to say that it's going to end sometime during their lifetime.

  charles russell, joseph rutherford, fred franz, harold camping, current gb members and so many others have done this.

  why is it they never say something like "the world will end in eight hundred years according to the bible"?

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  Total Truth from untruth :)

  I agree with you 100% I think doomsday cults take advantage of the natural fear we humans have of what tomorrow will bring. It seems to me that we humans naturally have the tendency to believe that "things were better in the past" and thus we assume things (in general) just perpetually continue to "get worst".

  Cult preachers usually tap into this fear by preaching their doomsday message. "The world is ending any day now, we know the secret to survive". That's why some of the biggest growth JWs have experienced happened in the years prior to 1925 and 1975, years JWs expected the end to come. Thing with JWs is that once you are in, it's hard to get out.
  
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  Did anyone vote yet?

  by NewYork44M in

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  i voted today in nyc.

  a well organized process.

  very busy and most of the people voting were african american.

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  I voted twice already!

  I take it he's being sarcastic
  
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  Did anyone vote yet?

  by NewYork44M in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i voted today in nyc.

  a well organized process.

  very busy and most of the people voting were african american.

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  Voted yesterday. I'm still alive surprisingly, no lightning has struck me yet 😂😂😂
  
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  What is your story?

  by HereIgo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i thought it would be fun to get to know each other's background a little better.. what brought you into the "truth"?

  were you born in?.

  what caused you to have doubts?.

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  LoveUnihateExams: It contained both the 1995 generation change article and an article on child abuse that basically stated that if a molester is asked by the elders about allegations and he denies them, nothing could be done about it

  Oh my God!! I had read the generation articles on that magazine a few times, but never the child abuse allegation one. Talk about a terrible issue of the Watchtower! This paragraph says it all:

  If the accusation is denied, the elders should explain to the accuser that nothing more can be done in a judicial way. And the congregation will continue to view the one accused as an innocent person. The Bible says that there must be two or three witnesses before judicial action can be taken. (2 Corinthians 13:1; 1 Timothy 5:19) Even if more than one person “remembers” abuse by the same individual, the nature of these recalls is just too uncertain to base judicial decisions on them without other supporting evidence. This does not mean that such “memories” are viewed as false (or that they are viewed as true). But Bible principles must be followed in establishing a matter judicially.

  Anyways, not to hijack the thread, I'm a newbie myself Herelgo, having only started to fade earlier this year. I'm a born-in, 1984. Parents were and continue to be really "spiritual". I was baptized 1995 at the tender age of 10. Served as elder from late 2010 till early 2016 when I stepped down due to doubts.

  As others here, my doubts involved various points, the biggest point at first being how a supposed merciful and loving God could A) Allow his creation to suffer for thousands of years just to prove a point B) Destroy billions of his children because they didn't worship as Jehovah's Witnesses commanded them to.

  Ran into CoC online and the rest is history.
  
  
  
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  2017 Yearbook - Still Waiting

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://www.dropbox.com/s/t06777k65p11e53/20160521e.pdf?dl=0.

  may 21, 2016. we are pleased to inform you that electronic versions of the annual items for 2017 will be made available for download on jw.org beginning in october of this year.

  this includes examining the scriptures daily—2017 and the 2017 yearbook of jehovah’s witnesses.

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  Sanchy

  Pointing to the scriptures that in the last days "the love of the greater number will cool off" showing just how much closer we are to Gods Judgement on the world at large.

  This is undoubtedly how they will spin it.
  
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  Is Jehovah Male Or Female, Manly of Womanly

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why is jehovah in the bible a male?

  why not female since he is a god that is not earthly but from another realm where they don't have sex differences, does he have a penis?

  does he have to pee and relieve himself?

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  Sanchy

  Per the words of George Carlin:

  “He - and if there is a God, I am convinced he is a he, because no woman could or would ever fuck things up this badly.”