Posts by twinkletoes

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Our New Orleans is gone.

by LyinEyes in

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after talking to many of the evacuees from new orleans and watching all of the local coverage , interviews of surviors ,they are just thankful to be alive.

they are also in deep despair over family members who they can not find, they don't know if they are alive or dead.

not to mention the ones they know are gone.. there are so many are just heartbroken that the home they knew is gone forever .

I too was saddened by the sight of all of those poor people and the conditions they are trying to survive under. It's bad enough to view the scenes of devastation, but the TV can't convey the smells - it must be awful.

I felt very angry that it was taking days to get the very basics to these people, and then I heard the UN Spokesman (Jans Egeland) say that they were ready to give any help required, but they had to wait to be ASKED by the US. The same sort of response came from the EU and a quite a few other countries. WHAT IS HAPPENING - IS THE US GOVERNMENT TRYING TO GO IT ALONE. Why don't they accept help from the other countries?

I too would have loved to visit New Orleans as I am coming to Texas (first time in the US for me) in Oct to visit my son.

Twink

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Only Jehovah appoints elders ?

by KAYTEE in

prior to my resignation from the jws, i heard a taped talk by bro.

kite (appeared to be an american from the bethell) where he spoke about some-one in a communist country joining the org.

and making his way "up the ladder", eventually finishing up as a district overseer.

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Jethro

One elder's comment to my husband (Kaytee) was "You will never be an elder because you would not work with the body of elders" (in other words - he would rock the boat too often!) even though at that time, he met all the scriptural requirements. How different to another congregation that we visited whilst on holiday, when one of the elders of that congregation, tried to get us to live there saying that he would soon be an elder, ( because they were short of elders) -

SUPPLY AND DEMAND or SPIRITUAL APPOINTMENTS?

Of course, now he is so pleased that he did'nt ever reach those "dizzy heights".

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Christ---Jehovah God

by RevFrank in

"to those who through the righteousness of our god and savior jesus christ.

" 11 peter 1:1 emphatic diaglott.

"the glorious appearing of our great god and savior, jesus christ," titus 2:13 emphatic diaglott .

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I wonder if we will ever be able to fathon out this doctrine. If Jesus and Jehovah are the same, are we talking about part of the Trinity?. There are many other scriptures that indicate that Jesus did not consider himself to be the same as God Almighty. Phil 2 v 6 ..."although he was existing in God's form gave no consideration to a seizure, namely that he should be EQUAL to God." and v 9 .. "for this very reason God exalted Him to a superior position and gave him the name that is above all other names " ...? that's from the New World Translation, but I have also checked out the Amplied Bible, which gives the same meaning. If Jesus is the same as Jehovah, how could he exalt himself to a superior position when he has already got the highest position?

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When Did You Realize That You REALLY Were Going To Die?

by minimus in

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and not live forever on paradise earth?

twinkletoes

I suppose it was when I finally realised that I had been so gullible and had accepted all of the JW teachings and then had the "rug pulled from under my feet" when I discovered all of the lies and hypocrises from the JWs.

I don't believe though that this life is all there is. If there is a God who created all of the universe, then he must have a purpose for the rest of the universe. This planet earth is such a tiny speck in the whole scheme of things, that I do believe that there must be much more to come. More scrolls to be opened - and afterall Jesus said he was going away to prepare a place for us - in his father's mansion there are many abobes (or something like that)

It has been recently discovered that mankind has an area of their brain which apparently is for spiritual matters and that couldn't have evolved. Spiritually is not necessary for evolution.

I guess I am still hoping, but then if I die and there is nothing after this life - I won't know anything anyway. As has already been said, the concern is for the ones you leave behind

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Does anyone know?

by Honesty in

the wtbts has some interesting comments but they still don't describe the why, how or what of the matter.

they also twist the scripture proofs they provide as evidenced below:.

*** it-1 966 goat ***.

twinkletoes

Interesting point.

I have first hand experience of goats, I kept goats for about 13 years, milking them each day. They are very strong willed and independant, but great personalities. where-as our next door neighbour sometimes has sheep on his land, and one of them lay down on a slope in the field and couldn't get up again, the next morning he found it dead - they don't seem to be able to work out anything themselves ! I certainly cannot image the goat just lying there. Maybe there is a moral to this (true) story after-all

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DID YOU KNOW THIS about the BIBLE?

by Terry in

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the oldest manuscripts are not considered the most reliable.. there are no "autograph" texts.

none.. there are no "original" manuscripts.. no two manuscripts agree.. the bible as we know it only came together in the form it now holds because certain men decided it should do so.. neither jesus nor his apostles or disciples carried bibles.. the apostle paul didn't carry a bible and none of his letters were in any of the scrolls considered holy scripture at the time he was preaching and forming christian theology as it is now understood to be.. largely, what the bible is today, is the result of certain men with certain agendas who had the authority to make their project happen.

they also had the power to destroy writings which did not agree with their agenda.

twinkletoes

Terry,

Very interesting post, thanks for taking the time to let us have your thoughts and obviously the results of your research.

It's good to see some "meaty" stuff to read and appreciated others comments too.

I have often wondered about the books that never made it into the Bible.

Twinkletoes

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a question of conscience

by KAYTEE in

dear lurkers/trolls or whatever you consider yourselves to be,.

how can you read all of the info on this forum regarding un scandal, alleged paedophilia, failed prophecies, u-turn on blood etc.

and not have your conscience affected before jehovah.

twinkletoes

Hello everyone,

Just wanted to say how great it is to see new ones coming onto this forum (Peggy and Sheri in particular) I can appreciate how difficult it must be for ones who have doubts about "God's Organisation" ? and perhaps not have anyone to share those doubts with. This is a perfect place to ask all those questions and to get support.

Thank you to " In a NY Bethel minute" for your comment about putting words into type, your'e so right - they quite often do not come out the way you had intended them to do. Seeing a person's facial expressions when talking can give a whole new meaning to their words.

I typed Kaytee's thread (my husband) as he really isn't into computers, but feels very strongly about all of the evidence against the WT. He was so upset that he had offended ones, that he said he wouldn't post anymore - but when I read the other comments (Trevor and others who seemed to be on the same wavelength) he felt a lot better.

Kaytee was never an elder, the elders told him that he would never be an elder as he would'nt be able to work with them (I think they meant that he would rock the boat too often) He is a very kind and caring person and hates hypocrisy - We were both in the Organisation for over 30 years, and it is sometimes very hard to accept that those years were in effect wasted.

kind regards to all

Twinkletoes

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would you go back ??

by orangefatcat in

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if you were given a chance to go back to the organizations would you?

twinkletoes

How can you ever again trust people who LIE and DECEIVE. There is no way that we would ever go back - I also speak for my husband (Kaytee) on this subject.

Twinkletoes

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Has anyone ever been to a Christadelphian meeting?

by twinkletoes in

since i have been out of the jws, i have found the freedom to look into other beliefs.

i remember when i was in the org.

how they used to say that the christadelphians are so similar in beliefs to the jws that they must be controlled by satan, especially as they do not beleive in satan as a person/individual.

twinkletoes

thanks for all the comments

I got the feeling that they were yet another cult, when I read their site. Something I wish to steer clear of.

twink

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Has anyone ever been to a Christadelphian meeting?

by twinkletoes in

since i have been out of the jws, i have found the freedom to look into other beliefs.

i remember when i was in the org.

how they used to say that the christadelphians are so similar in beliefs to the jws that they must be controlled by satan, especially as they do not beleive in satan as a person/individual.

twinkletoes

Hi Poppers,

Since we have been out of the JWs (were in for 30+ years) we have only been to a couple of meetings of Born Again Christians, and although they certainly seem very sincere, we felt uncomfortable with the hands in the air waving and emotional output. Something we certainly were not used to in the JWs. The bible says "get out of her (Babylon the Great) my people if you do not wish to receive part of her plagues..." and so we feel that possibly there is no ONE religion that is acceptable to God. but more it is an individual thing and the life-style that you lead. But saying that, I have looked deeply into evolution and have come to realise that there must be a Creator, and that one day the Creator will keep his promise to mankind.

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