Posts by Nambo

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New World Population BOOM!

by nicolaou in

let's assume that there are about 20 ,000,000 armageddon survivors (baptised jw's and their children), after just 30 years every survivor will be sexually mature and with increased vigour and health.

chemical contraception, condoms, i.u.d's etc will all be long gone so any married couple with a normal sex-drive will be producing children at an average rate of about 1 per year.

world population at the beginning of the 20th century was less than 1.5 billion.

Reading the Bible without Watchtower aids, I get the impression from Isaiah 65 that even good people will still die at 100, and that the resurrection of the good, (including the afore mentioned from Isaiah), and the unrighteous, all get ressurected at the end of the 1000 years, not at the beggining. Backing this point is that the last enemy to be destroyed during Christs 1000 year reign is death, again backing my thoughts that people will still die.

Maybe the ones living in Jersualem who can drink the living waters from Eziekiels third temple wont die during this time?

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Cedars' "Makeweight" Scenario

by What Now? in

cedars' "makeweight" scenario posed as a question:.

can you show me one scripture that supports the idea that the holy spirit would deliberately feed god's servants untrue information or a flawed understanding of scripture as a "makeweight" until actual truth would be revealed at a later date?

is there a biblical principle that justifies jehovah dealing with his servants in such a way?.

Nambo

They would just say the Org never claims to be infallible, that Jehovah reveals things as and when they are neccesary, "new light" they will say, they might even quote from Daniel 12 about the words being made secret and sealed up until the time of the end.

In their own minds this will be quite satisfactory to them.

You might therefore ask them, how do they know the differance then between what God has actually "revealed" to them, and what they have guessed God had revealed to them.

They might then say, "when it comes true", in which case you can ask, "what has come true so far then?

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Who get baptized in holy spirit, and when?

by The Searcher in

my wife asked me a very simple, but profound question; "when does someone who claims to be anointed, get baptized in holy spirit?"..

i'd never thought of it before, but it quickly dawned on me that in general, anyone who claims to have the heavenly hope, never had it at their baptism.

they almost always received their 'calling' after several years as a christian.

Nambo

I had felt the Holy Spirit prior to Baptism, allways internally.

When I was a Witness, I never thought of myself to be of the "Annointed", however, about half hour after I got baptised, I felt the Holy Spirit on the outside of me, as if it where being poured over me, I just assumed all Witnesses felt this after they got baptised.

Its only after having left the Witnesses and studying and remembering that Iam considering I was annointed in Holy Spirit because that is what annointing is, having something poured over you.

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Reasoning From the Scriptures with the Sisters

by MsGrowingGirl20 in

important announcement!

new publication is now available.

it is entitled reasoning with the sisters.

Nambo

I think I still have my copy from the late 80s or early 90s somewhere, doesnt look to have any "New Light" in it whatsoever.

Maybe we can add to it and get it passed around so that Witnesses will end up reading our "demonised" apostate litrature without realising it.

heres my contribution.

Can You avoid an Eternity of Loneliness?

Hi, my names ...... I ve been speaking to a lot of single Sisters in your area recently who are becoming desperately worried in view of the scripture that states there will be no marrying in the New System, that they might be left on the shelf and have to spend the rest of Eternity as a "cat lady".

(You might like to show the sister what a fun guy you are by quiping, "Yes I know we will get to stroke some really big cats")

When Sisters say

YES, THAT IS A CONCERN TO ME, BUT IAM HOLDING OUT FOR A PIONEER OR ELDER

Thats the right thing to do for sure, I myself am hoping to become an Elder one day, but in view of the fact the Armeggedon could be here in a matter of days, is it prudent to take the risk if we're all going to be perfect anyhow?

YES I HADNT THOUGHT OF IT LIKE THAT

(You might then offer to come around that evening to study Watchtower publications with her such as the "Young People Ask" chapter on Masterbation.)

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Greetings! My first post

by BU2B in

hello all at jwn!

i have been a lurker here the last few months and have been going through the process of researching both sides of the story of jehovahs witnesses.

i was raised in the borg, got married and now have a young child.. my wife is very much dedicated to the organization and will justify anything the "slave" does putting it off on the borgs imperfection.

Nambo

I can understand your wifes viewpoint that yes, there are things wrong with the borg, but where else can one go and Jehovah will sort it out in the end.

However,

The thing I really am concerned about, and that might help your wife out, I consider to be very Spiritually dangerous, namely, the rejection by the "great crowd" of the Emblems of the New Covernant.

The society like to use Luke 22 to enfer that the Bread and the Wine, the New Covernant, is for Jesus Disciples to rule as Kings with him so that only they should take it, however, verse 20 says his blood is poured out for many, and it is 9 verses later, and after talking about a differant subject, that Jesus talks about ruling as Kings.

Matthew 26 and Mark 14 dont even mention the ruling as Kings bit, Jesus blood is poured out for many, for forgiveness of sins, that is the New Covernant.

If you want your sins forgiven, you have to drink Jesus blood.

This is most pointed out in John chapter 6 where Jesus says you will only get life if you eat his flesh and drink his blood, he likens it to the Manna which even the mixed company had to eat in order to survive, not just the Levite Priests.

So maybe if you can show your wife from the Bible that the Org is getting your Wife to actually reject the means for gaining Everlasting life, this might make her think.

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Any conspiracy theories you're convinced has some truth to it?

by MC RubberMallet in

jw
friends

i do.. 1) new world order.

2) weapons testing.

3) surveillance, espionage, and intelligence agencies.

Nambo

Hopefully not, but worth checking out such things before an event.

Heres an investigative reporter who used to work on the "Cook Report" who claims to have signed up with Group 4 Security as a security guard for the Olympic games, he claims to have been told some pretty bizzare stuff as well as whistleblowing the poor standard of G4S.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dT9ghaGAdF8 And heres a Youtube clip of a Rockefella Foundation "prediction" of an olympic event that results in the death of 13000. Heres the document itself, a 54 page PDF, you have to scroll down to page 34 http://www.rockefellerfoundation.org/uploads/files/bba493f7-cc97-4da3-add6-3deb007cc719.pdf Dont shoot me, Iam only the messenger.

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UK law changed to allow prosecution of those who stay silent over child abuse

by MMXIV in

the domestic violence, crime and victims (amendment) act 2012 comes into force on monday in england and wales to allow prosecution for those who stay silent over a child's serious physical abuse.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18638734.

whilst this law was put in place to stop a loophole whereby those who commit child murder claim it was someone else while they just remained silent, this now makes those who do not take steps to stop the abuse equally guilty.. elders who do not take steps to stop or report the serious abuse of minors could face prosecution and 10 years in prison.

it may no longer be good enough to tell the abused or abusers it's their right to go to authorities (per the 2010 elders manual) they now need to take action.. whether criminal prosecutions are brought against elders who masquerade as police, judge, jury and social workers whilst not themselves reporting abuse of a minor will remain to be seen, however the law now exists to make it possible.. any jw child who comes to serious harm where the elders knew about it should ask themselves - could i have stopped this by telling the police?

Nambo

One of the Policeman I was friendly with at work, became quite angry when he heard how my stepfather had phsically and emotionally abused me back in the 60s and 70s, he seriously wanted to persue a prosecution which made me wish I hadnt told him so much.

I convinced him that it wouldnt change the damage done to me and that I didnt want to upset my Mother who still is married to him and is now quite old.

Now Iam definatly not going to seek any sort of justice over what happened to me as a child, knowing my Mother would also be put in prison for the rest of her life, as she was to afraid to even look my way whist my stepfather would be smashing his fists into each side of my head and kicking me in the stomach.

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Things that were supposedly demonized

by freshstart in

i was just thinking about all the fear i had when i was a kid that i would be attacked by demons if i wasn't careful.

i mean i lived in absolute terror over it, so i'm going to reminisce about the things i was told were demonized and you can add to the list if you'd like:.

lucky charms cerealcount dracula cerealitems bought at garage sales where there was a cross or anything religious present"hotel california" by the eagles (now one of my favorite songs)wwjd braceletsscooby dooi remember being so scared of every little noise that whenever i would turn off my light to go to bed, i would say "jehovah, jehovah!

Nambo

I think my underpants are demonised, there was allways something decidedly un-Christian going on in them that even fervant prayer couldnt stop.

If I was a lot younger I might have approached the Elders to see if laying on of hands might have been the answer?

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Who did you want to meet in Paradise?

by Flat_Accent in

jw
friends

step right up!

take your pick of any of the 100 billion or so people that ever lived.

who did you want to meet?

Nambo

In my whole life, I only ever once was loved, that was by our dog "Suzie", cannot think of any human I would rather see again.

Dont suppose Jesus sacrifice covers dogs, though maybe he could easily bring a few special ones back to make us humans happy.

Reminds me of a return visit I used to have, a dustman, this big manly fellow used to go on about how lovely it will be in the resurrection to see his Hampster again.

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Do You Think That You Should Be Punished For Letting Drivers Know There Is A Speed Trap Along Their Route?

by minimus in

jw
friends

a houston woman made up a sign warning motorists of a speedtrap and she was arrested!.

in my area we often alert fellow drivers of speed traps by flashing our lights.

do you think there should be a law against this?.

Nambo

Here in the UK, cops have to wear bright yellow jackets for health and safety, so you can see them a mile away anyway.

Was so funny when I lived in Glossop, they used to hide behind a bush but the vegetation is so sparse up there that you could still see all the bright yellow bits between the leaves.

What does get me is their hypocracy, I know Police motorcyclists and how fsat they ride their own bikes, that they could then nick somebody for going just a few miles above the speed limit when I have witnesses one of them going at least 3 times over the limit!